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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:00am
kekasih - 28.02.11 - 12:29am
what do ur Bible say about The Spirit Of Truth? *
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mandy74 - 28.02.11 - 12:52am
Buy a bible and discover *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 12:56am
is that christian answer,mandy? *
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mandy74 - 28.02.11 - 12:57am
Its the quickest answer wilman *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:00am
what for i want to buy bible? ive read it all...yet i havent discover ur thoughts abt The Spirit Of Truth. anyone would like to show me where about in the bible to discover? n how u interprete that as maybe diff denomination have diff kind of interpretations? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:05am
so, christians too havent discover or know what is The Spirit Of Truth? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:12am
discover WHO is The Spirit Of Truth in ur bible? any knowledgeble christians? *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 01:12am
jesus *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:21am
no, it cant be Jesus. cuz im sure n know who The Spirit Of Truth in the Quran. thats why i want to know what the bible says regarding The Spirit Of Truth. its Muhammad SAAW btw in The Quran that is called by God as The Spirit Of Truth. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:22am
so, what the bible say about believing in The Spirit Of Truth n the importance of believing in him. *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 01:24am
well as the quran is a edited version of the bible that is no suprise , is it *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:26am
let the christians answer n say their part bozza, as they know the bible. *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 01:27am
Quran is no edit of bible bozza,but as a perfectness of Books before *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 01:28am
nah just a copy made to give a guy a mention in every prayer *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 01:39am
i dunt want take over ur comments bozza,coz in ur mind still thinking that Quran is a plagiarism of bible or wateva.so just back to topic *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:05am
hischild - 28.02.11 - 01:53am
HOLY GHOST *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:02am
christians takes him as Holy Ghost? really? oh wow. its no wonder then, even in Islam, no one can enter heaven if rejected him SAAW. even mocking him would be forbidden heaven for those who mocked The Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW. wow this better now, atleast the understanding is there. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:03am
anyway Holy Spirit in Islam is Angel Gabriel. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:07am
So everyone before the time of mohummaed can't enter heaven then? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:08am
The Spirit Of Truth is MOST BELOVED to ALLAH SWT. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:10am
yep mandain. for those who knows Allah SWT they know The Spirit Of Truth to come n must accept it even before Adam, Angels etc, Allah SWT first created The Spirit Of Truth. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:11am
And the spirit of truth is a man? *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:13am
So all the prophets before Muhammad didn't have the spirit of truth? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:19am
all the Prophets before Muhammad SAAW believed in Muhammad SAAW while he is still in Spirit form (Nur). @mandain. Allah SWT created this ''Nur- Light Of Muhammad SAAW'' First before any other creatures ie Angels etc... *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:20am
this ''Nur Muhammad SAAW'' is MOST Beloved to Allah SWT. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:25am
Ok quick question where does it say muhammad is the most beloved? In the Quran? Did the angel Gabriel reveal it to Muhammad that he is the most beloved? Or is it in the hadiths? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:46am
Here are some verses of Quran which define the personality of Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) and his exalted status.- He is Nur (Sacred Light) (5.15).- Allah blesses him (33.56).- Mercy for all the worlds (21.107).- His name is Muhammad (Meaning the Most Praised One) (47.2). *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:47am
Muhmmad (SAAW) was the most beloved of Allah Almighty n here are some verses of Quran which show how much beloved to Allah was he.- If you want to gain the love of Allah, follow him (3:31). Allah addresses him with love and affection (20:1) (36:1) (73:1) (74:1). Allah says: Realise that My Prophetic Messenger himself is with you (49:7). Allah describes him with His Own Attributes of Rauf (Most Ki *
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ampem - 28.02.11 - 02:49am
AMPEM *
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ampem - 28.02.11 - 02:50am
AMPEM GOD *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:07am
ampem - 28.02.11 - 02:50am
AMPEM *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:51am
Allah describes him with His Own Attributes of Rauf (Most Kind) and Rahim (Merciful) (9:128). Allah does not punish people if he is in their midst (8:33). He has regarded with the highest degree of respect among the prophet. His name has been mentioned first among the great prophets in Quran. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:51am
I read before Muhammad just simply means the praised one, but now it's the most praised and most beloved *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 02:54am
So kek you have kids right? Out of your kids do you have a favourite? One that you love more than the other? If so which one? *
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witch1 - 28.02.11 - 02:56am
Read the bible with an open mind kek. You never have or you wouldn't ask such a silly question. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:57am
kids? Allah SWT is not anyone's father mandain. btw i love my kids differently but the same. :D *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:58am
this no silly question...u see even christian finds it difficult to see in the bible, else me...@witchy. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:00am
There are so many other verses of Quran about the Prophet Muhammad and Allah has greatly emphasized upon his love, respect and following his teaching. Allah Says ''he that follow Muhammad (SAAW) follows ME''. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:01am
None of what you quoted actually say the words he is the most beloved *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:04am
Father or not is debatable either way We are all his creations, and God loves me equally with all his creations Moses Abraham including Muhammad and everyone in this forum, no more no less but equal *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:06am
He might love each one differently but equally none is the most beloved *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:07am
Allah SWT n all Angels Praised Muhammad SAAW n Allah SWT Granted Muhammad SAAW The Fount (of Abundance). mandain. - see Surah 108.1-3.- 1. To thee have We granted the Fount (of Abundance). 2. Therefore to thy Lord turn in Prayer and Sacrifice. 3. For he who hateth thee, he will be cut off (from Future Hope). *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:08am
ok so, tell me more what ur bible say about The Spirit of Truth. will u also be cut off from future hope if u hate him? *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:09am
Still didn't say he is the most beloved *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:12am
Well that's without asking then, why would you hate the spirit of truth? The spirit of truth is to guide us, which it just did with me, which is to know that God loves all of us equally that's the spirit of truth I felt *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:12am
mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:14am
I just had a spiritual moment while eating a chicken burger *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 03:16am
ok gotta go for now tc *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:21am
ok tc. *
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witch1 - 28.02.11 - 03:22am
But that's what you say when someone questions the koran, kek. You say read it to understand. Read the bible to understand it. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:23am
And We have not sent you, (O Muhammad), except as a mercy to all mankind (Glorious Qur'an 21:107) *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 03:25am
if uve read it all the Quran n u dont understand it, u may ask me witchy. *
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crazy4ya - 28.02.11 - 04:36am
is saaw n swt? *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 06:09am
Kek muhamam is not Holy Spirit of the bible! *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 06:18am
manage ur spelling levafix! *
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revived - 28.02.11 - 06:39am
O Boy ! ! thisss topppic iiiiissss sooooo . . . . . . . . *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 09:44am
There are many things that are said about the Holy Spirit in the bible what specifically are you refering to? *
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phallica - 28.02.11 - 10:00am
Would the Koran be the same if the Bible wasn't compiled? *
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geek54 - 28.02.11 - 10:18am
Sounds to me like Ma'at the egyptian god of truth. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 10:52am
the HOLY GHOST is the spirit of truth. i have already answered *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 10:59am
HE is sent to guide us in all truth and righteousness. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:14am
beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:00am
John 14 v 16-17 .. It is the Holy Spirit. 'he will be with u for eternity' nd well.. No man is here for eternity. So it isn't Muhammed. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:01am
Holy Spirit nd Holy Ghost been the same thing incase anyone wonders. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:04am
Let me rephrase that.. Muhammed is not the Spirit of truth to Christians nd accordin to the Bible. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:11am
I don't get why there are both Christians and Muslims on this site that constantly want to have a dig at each others religion to make themselves feel secure about their own, why? Leave each other alone for you can never ever prove anyone wrong, so what's the point in starting this type of topics? it beats me that's for sure *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:14am
Is your aim to convert people? If so that might seem reasonable but so far from what I noticed that's not the case, it's simply trying to say my rooster is bigger than your rooster, what's the point in that, now really? *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 11:16am
That's why i rephrased my reply, i didn't want it to seem, nor was it my intention to put down the Islamic faith, or say that they're wrong. *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:29am
That's right and Muhammad is not a prophet to Christians either, you can pick on the bible till the sun comes down just as chriistians can pick all the flaws of the most beloved prophet the most praised one as I did earlier it's not going to change anyone's mind *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:30am
So quit trying! *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 11:32am
So have faith in your own faith and get on with your merry little lives, and like Bobby macferrin says don't worry be happy now *
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cyrens99 - 28.02.11 - 11:45am
Dot *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 12:13pm
in the bible, Spirit also means Prophet *
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mandain - 28.02.11 - 12:17pm
And the bible is corrupted, have we forgotten that bit? Or is it only corrupted where you wish it to be? Now stop quoting the bible afriend,learn to live with your Quran and start with mis trusting Jews for a start? *
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cyrens99 - 28.02.11 - 12:17pm
Wrong again. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 12:23pm
what? spirit means prophet in the bible? *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 12:50pm
yeah Hischild. Many prophets have come into the world, but u should test that spirit of truth ...(meanin there's a criteria of judgin a prophet) *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:15am
im.joker - 28.02.11 - 01:09pm
if you ve read the bible and havent really found the spirit of truth . . i suppose you were reading closed bible or with closed eyes *
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urvoice2 - 28.02.11 - 01:10pm
Given that muslims will only occupy one third of heaven, only an idiot would say u must accept mohammed was a prophet before u can get in. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:10pm
@mandain its neither to convert u or to say whos rooster is bigger...u shouldnt even feel threatents/insecured when we asked u anything abt christianity. its called, to reach the understanding term to reveal the Truth. n that needs a comperative studies. unless u dont want to know the Truth. still u shouldnt feel threatens when muslims ask the christians. here alot of others non-muslim askd muslim *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:14pm
so ok, Spirit Of Truth to christians is Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit n these two the same? n @beige The Spirit Of Truth Dwelt forever till Last Day Of This World...it dwelt in The Fruit Of Muahammad SAAW btw, n thats what believed by Shia n some Sunni except Wahabi.- see this- http://www.scribd.com/Ahlul-Bayt-Final/d/24734107 *
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gaolach - 28.02.11 - 01:14pm
hypocrite *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 01:16pm
you test the spirit of any one not just prophets *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:20pm
Sunni believed all human are decendant of Adam except the Prophet Muhammad SAAW decendants are from Muhammad SAAW n from his Tree- The Sacred Tree (Light- Nur Muhammad SAAW) n this, no one can cut off the Nasab even in The Day Of Judgement cuz it is secured by God, where the Day of all Nasab is cut, except the Nasab (the Fruit) Of The Prophet SAAW. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:22pm
so, simple things i want to know here is, WHO is The Spirit Of Truth according to christians, n WHATS ur belief say abt this Spirit Of Truth. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:23pm
That doesn't make sense to me Kek, sorry but i don't believe it.. Afriend, prophets aren't the Spirit of Truth, however the Spirit of Truth does 'enter' them to guide them to give God's msg. There's a big difference. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:24pm
so, every christians have same answer as what hischild's answer? or is there any one differ in christianity regarding The Spirit Of Truth? *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:25pm
We have already said. The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the spirit of Truth. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:26pm
The Prophet's SAAW Family carries this ''Spirit Of Truth'' beige1. till Imam Mahdi (AS). they are the Spiritual Guides Of The Muslims. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:29pm
only two christian answered that Spirit Of Truth is Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit so far beige1. n thats u n hischild. so go to next Qs of mine pls- How u must believe in this ''Spirit Of Truth''. u cant reject him right? btw Muslims also believed The Quran is Forever. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:29pm
@Kek you have to understand the difference btwin spirits and people. Prophets are not spirits, they're humans. Jesus promised to send a spirit, not a human being. Muhammad was a human, not a spirit. *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 01:30pm
so are u sayin that the spirit of truth only came down in the time of Jesus? *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:16am
kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:31pm
n All Muslims also believed Prophet Muhammad SAAW is Rahmat-ul-lil Aalameen. that also means forever. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:31pm
We can't reject the Holy Spirit no. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:33pm
@darkstr we are all spirits, before we are born to this world. thats what Jesus say abt Muhammad SAAW (The Spirit to Come after he is gone). *
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crazedd - 28.02.11 - 01:36pm
Just like muslims to twist it. When the NT was being compiled by the romans, they wernt planning on islam and prophet poobuh *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:37pm
According to the christian Bible we're dust. Spirits are God, angels and demons. And we didn't exist as spirits b4 we were born. The creation records that Adam was made from the ground and God simply put breath in him. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:37pm
Maybe to Muslims yes. Not to Christians tho. The Bible does not refer to Muhammed n we don't accept him as a prophet. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:41pm
ok forget abt the Muslim's Part...now just let us know abt the Christian's Part/Belief about/regarding this ''Spirit Of Truth'' anything else u want to say re this beige1? *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 01:42pm
the HOLY GHOST has always been and in the old testament guided. but did not dwell in anyone with a few exceptions till the upper room. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:43pm
I've said what He is. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:43pm
go on...hischild. tell me more abt the Holy Ghost. *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 01:43pm
interesting point there- that the NT was compiled by the Romans, a people whom Jesus was not sent for *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:44pm
ok then beige1, it means thats all from u. let hischild tell more, she knows the bible better perhaps. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:45pm
Does it now? Let me decide 4 myself as the post goes on ok. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:45pm
Sounds less eerie to refer to it as Holy Spirit not a Ghost tho @hischild *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 01:47pm
how many Holy Spirits ARE there? Jesus had one, John the baptist, and a few disciples ... *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:17am
beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:48pm
There is 1 Holy Spirit.. A Spirit isn't restrained as a human is. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:49pm
@hischild the Holy Ghost/Spirit during Jesus's time is still in Spirit right? hasnt been a flesh yet (still in Spirit form) n yet to Come according to Jesus right? n he will bring a Guide to all right? an Everlasting Guide? if it is, that is The Holy Quran. well thats what i see it as. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:49pm
God can be everywhere at once.. The Spirit means breath. The Holy Spirit been the breath of God, so to speak. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:49pm
interesting. @afriend. *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:51pm
@afriend uve got interesting points there. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:54pm
In the Christian scriptures there's no indication that the Holy Spirit would come as flesh. In fact in John 14:17 Jesus said ''He shall be IN you''. Its not possible to have a human being in you is it? *
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crazedd - 28.02.11 - 01:55pm
jesus spoke out against the romans probably, got a big following. the romans hanged him and made a huge story to suite their new religion, christianity *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:56pm
@darkster in u or among u perhaps? if u embraced it, ul be saved forever? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 01:58pm
anyway i g2g for now, go ahead tell me more abt ''Spirit Of Truth'' in ur belief. all muslims are welcome too re this ''Spirit Of Truth'' btw. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 01:58pm
Read those verses of John that i quoted. As Darkstr said, there was never a mention that the Holy Spirit would be a human. *
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darkstr - 28.02.11 - 01:59pm
n I agree with beige1. A spirit is not affected by physical limitations. The same Holy Spirit was in 120 people at pentecost. The same Holy Spirit that a believer in the U.S has is the same Holy Spirit that I have and is the same Holy Spirit that someone in Australia or Africa has. *
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afriend - 28.02.11 - 02:01pm
its just interesting @ kek. But Jesus said, If i dont go the Holy Ghost will not come. in other words, its another Type of Holy Spirit, a Spirit that was NOT present with them. So what kinda spirit was that then? *
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kekasih - 28.02.11 - 02:05pm
exactly its an eye opener even to us muslims @afriend. its to embrace ''Quran n Ahlul Bayt'' to be saved n not astray. k g2g. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 02:30pm
beige is right HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT is GODS breath. and yes the HOLY GHOS/SPIRIT is still spirit form and always has been *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 02:35pm
the HOLY GHOST was there, within JESUS. colossians 2:9 *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:26am
may2011 - 28.02.11 - 02:44pm
The Holy Spirit, the third person of the blessed trinity. *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 02:45pm
but the HOLY GHOST did not need to come as the COMFORTER because JESUS was still on earth *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 02:47pm
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 03:41pm
Afriend excuse me, but how the HECK DO YOU READ ANOTHER TYPE OF SPIRIT INTO If i dont go the Holy Spirit wont come? Maybe im brain dead bt that dont mean another Spirit! *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 03:44pm
Nor are their types of Holy Spirits, There is ONE HOLY SPIRIT, AND ONLY ONE TYPE,no more no less and ITS NOT A HUMAN! *
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wilman - 28.02.11 - 05:06pm
wats wrong bro smo *
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halman - 28.02.11 - 05:22pm
Jesus was refering to the prophecy of Joel in which God's holy spirit is poured out in a special way.If Jesus hadnt accomplished what he did,then the Spirit Of The Truth would not have been poured out.This 'pouring out' is an annointing,to choose those who would be with Jesus in the heavenly spirit realm,as part of the Kingdom of God.-Joel 2:32, Acts 2:3,4,17,18 *
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halman - 28.02.11 - 05:25pm
So,the Spirit Of The Truth was sent in this way, at Pentecost 33 C.E. (a.d.) *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 05:58pm
nothing wilman am just perusing the site *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 06:02pm
afriend is correct in saying what he said because jesus (as) was already with the spirit so its sacrilege to assume he wasn't and if he goes away then only then the spirit will come *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 06:06pm
anyways in John it states Jesus will pray and the Father will send another comforter *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 06:13pm
@hischild joel??? *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 06:46pm
This Comforter is the Holy Spirit, NOT muhamad. John 14vs17 EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE,BECAUSE IT SEETH HIM NOT,NEITHER KNOWETH HIM BUT YE SHALL KNOW HIM FOR HE DWELLETH WITH YOU AND SHALL BE IN YOU. *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 06:51pm
Proof its not a man, vs 26 BUT THE COMFORTER WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST,WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME,HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS,AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE,WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU. *
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ji_dl - 28.02.11 - 07:03pm
bible=spirit of lies *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:28am
hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:15pm
the HOLY GHOST was with JESUS because the HOLY GHOST is GODS breath and in JESUS dwelled all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily. after JESUS ascension the HOLY GHOST was sent *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:16pm
as the comforter *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 07:16pm
quran = copy of bible made to glorify a vain man *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:20pm
i see a great topic in joel. but it might scare some. so ill leave it be for now *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:22pm
joel 2 is about GOD sending HIS spirit. which is the HOLY GHOST *
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ji_dl - 28.02.11 - 07:31pm
Bible= copy of the torah + lies meant to elevate a mere prophet to God-like status *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 07:35pm
very true ,glad you agree it is all cr*p *
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ghost_9 - 28.02.11 - 07:36pm
Bible + koran + torah = nice bedtime reading which some fancy as the word of a 'god'. *
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beige1 - 28.02.11 - 07:39pm
I wont insult the Quran, i'm not that insecure or unsure abt the Book i believe in to have to sink to that level. *
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bozzalad - 28.02.11 - 07:40pm
well said ghost *
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urvoice2 - 28.02.11 - 07:44pm
And beige *
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ji_dl - 28.02.11 - 07:54pm
yeah, and beige *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 08:11pm
lol what's up with the caps levafix... I don't have a bible in front of me but will coment when I have time *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 08:13pm
and the bible is not a book of lies *
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urvoice2 - 28.02.11 - 08:20pm
It takes all sorts smo, some rubbish the bible, some the quran. Some say black, some say white. Night, day, right, wrong. It gets them through the day. Peace be with u, as it is with me. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:29am
.hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:16pm
as the comforter *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:20pm
i see a great topic in joel. but it might scare some. so ill leave it be for now *
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hischild - 28.02.11 - 07:22pm
joel 2 is about GOD sending HIS spirit. which is the HOLY GHOST *
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smohamed - 28.02.11 - 08:11pm
lol what's up with the caps levafix... I don't have a bible in front of me but will coment when I have time *
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levafix - 28.02.11 - 09:44pm
Caps is to show its from the bible. Anyway no matter how you wana twist it, the Holy Spirit aint a man. *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 08:29am
in that case, the prophecy is still unfulfilled. The only thing the holy ghost did was make a few people speak gibberish *
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halman - 1.03.11 - 09:20am
Incorrect.If you read Acts properly,you'll see the disciples were speaking in all the languages of those who had come far and wide,to the Festival.Certainly not 'jibberish'. *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 09:39am
i dunt get wat are u talkin bout guys.are u talkin bout paraclete in john 14:16? *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 09:46am
paracletos consists wiv 2 meaning,shortly from consonants prqlts,those 2 are paracletos n parecletos.if we translate or use parecletos then we will found it refers to Prophet Muhammad SAW.parecletos is also means Ahmad in arabic,nobody was born as the name of Ahmad.but christian we kn0w translate it refers to paracletos,an abstract noun if i aint mistaken.wallahualam *
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hischild - 1.03.11 - 10:29am
its not jibberish. more than a few speak it. and the HOLY GHOST does more than that. *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 11:20am
relax Hischild, dont get ur knickers in a knot- doesn't matter what language it was- it does not fulfill the prophecy, does it? What are the things that the Comforter or Holy Ghost was supposed to do? *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 11:23am
yes Wilman- there are 2 translations to the text. One means The Praised One and the other means Comforter *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 11:28am
so neither say muhammad *
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halman - 1.03.11 - 11:57am
Incorrect wilman and afriend,it is not Mohammed, plain and simple. If you want to believe it is,get on with it.You can talk and twist Greek meanings all you like,it still doesnt make it Mohammed.It's like sawing the horns off a goat and claiming it's a sheep. *
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kathie01 - 1.03.11 - 12:01pm
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate, who will naver leave you. John 14:16. It seem to me that muhammand went back to dust and that the Holy Spirit of God still with us! *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:30am
hischild - 1.03.11 - 12:06pm
i agree with halman. doesnt matter how ya twist it, a man born of man and woman cannot be with you always. that in itself destroys the theory it was muhammed. *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:19pm
thats why i said,if u translated it with PARE means Ahmad,but if PARA means an abstract noun bla bla,then u will make an excuse to the next verse at 17,holy spirit is God himself.how cud then it is God,if It or He does wat God's want.means both of them are 'not equal' *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:20pm
next verse speak bout Gabriel.wallahualam *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:25pm
Kek I'm not the one who is threatened for I never start this type of topics question the Quran, if I did you can then accuse me of it, as for the truth? My truth is not your truth and vice versa, as I said earlier this type of topics is only to secure the pw for you want confirmation not me, cause I don't need it for I already have and know the truth, now don't you? *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:27pm
gospel of john many things 2 tel tat guide u ucant understand spiritual power having person came n explain u.... it proves after jesus , mohamed spiritual power human explain u *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:27pm
For if you did why would you need understanding terms or comparative studies to reach the truth? Thats an admission you don't know or not sure of the truth, for if you did and were *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:28pm
Content you won't need this comparative study would you? *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:29pm
mesage which waz revealed 2 prophet MOHAMMED saw is ISLAM in its comprehensive, complete n final form *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:34pm
Plus I have no problem with Muslims seeking verse after verse in the supposedly corrupt bible they don't believe in, for if it makes you happy great, but do remember every time you put up a topic such as this one, the only people you are trying so hard to convince is your self and fellow Muslims convincing that they and your self is not wrong using a so called corrupt bible, now why? Ask your self *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:38pm
And *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:39pm
we talk wat is true, c*m in light believ in true *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:39pm
And finally religion is personal, how I wish to worship my God had all to do *
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mandain - 1.03.11 - 12:40pm
And finally religion is personal, how I wish to worship my God had all to do with anyone of you *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:40pm
And he saw a chariot with a couple of hor , a chariot of asses, and a chariot of CAMELS; and he hearkened diligently with much heed. (Isaiah 21:7)..very nice verse,isnt it?? *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 12:42pm
thx islam,and hope i will die in islam aswel.i love u Muhammad SAW *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:37am
mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:43pm
every living creature hav water scientific aceptable sign of true QURAN *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:44pm
NARA EK TAKBIR ALLAHUWAKBAR SAY LOUD WE R ONE- *
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mass786 - 1.03.11 - 12:52pm
its not of convince al its duty of muslim if he think he a muslim to aware frm bad things moderism, say talk of truth *
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afriend - 1.03.11 - 01:36pm
what a mess, @ mass! We discussin bout the Holy Ghost here- what are You on about, huh? Stick to the discussion or keep silent man! *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:47pm
huh? when its me who opens topic asking christians many goes tantrum biasedly? i dont see u have problem when Allah/God is being questioned why mandain? im not the one whos having ur kind of opinion...im open to questions. ur opinion suits u tho cuz i never see u do what u against...my opinion is ok if u want to question Quran/Allah etc...aslong its not the insulting type...u can quote Quran as ma *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:49pm
as many as u want...too. so, if ur religion is private to u, it may not be private to other n i dont have same ur opinion...k. u see things differently, i see truth differently too. now if u cant answer my question, thats ok...many else can answer here. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:51pm
i see here the Spirit Of Truth is not just the Holy Ghost in the bible, it could be the comforter too. so does the two the same? @to anyone that wants to answer. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 01:53pm
didnt the Holy Ghost met Mary? n Jesus always with the Holy Ghost too. now that could only mean the Spirit Of Truth is the Comforter. n its two different spirit now. isnt it? *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 02:30pm
Kek its clear u didnt read the verses concerning the Holy Spirit. John 14vs 26,read that. If muhamad is the Holy Spirit how could the disciples have known him about 600 years before he was born? Vs 17. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:49pm
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.// yeah i noticed theres two there the Helper n the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel). now whos this Helper? @leva. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:52pm
John 14 verse 16 said the Helper is the Spirit of Truth. see? how then u discover this to be the Holy Ghost/Spirit? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:53pm
n if u see the previous verse, in John 14 vs 15 said like this- 15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.//now who keep Jesus's commandments? if not Muhammad SAAW. *
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iilmadme - 1.03.11 - 03:00pm
How do u decide wat Jesus' commandments are,as a muslim? Do u trust wat the Bible sez they were or duz the Quran give info bout wat they were? N if the two are diffrent then why wud this single sentence apply without the rest? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
we believe Jesus come not to change any law of Moses. n we believe he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus also come to bring Prayers n Alms (charity). *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
muslims still carries out these Moses law also prayers n alms. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:53am
.levafix - 1.03.11 - 02:30pm
Kek its clear u didnt read the verses concerning the Holy Spirit. John 14vs 26,read that. If muhamad is the Holy Spirit how could the disciples have known him about 600 years before he was born? Vs 17. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:49pm
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.// yeah i noticed theres two there the Helper n the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel). now whos this Helper? @leva. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:52pm
John 14 verse 16 said the Helper is the Spirit of Truth. see? how then u discover this to be the Holy Ghost/Spirit? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 02:53pm
n if u see the previous verse, in John 14 vs 15 said like this- 15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.//now who keep Jesus's commandments? if not Muhammad SAAW. *
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iilmadme - 1.03.11 - 03:00pm
How do u decide wat Jesus' commandments are,as a muslim? Do u trust wat the Bible sez they were or duz the Quran give info bout wat they were? N if the two are diffrent then why wud this single sentence apply without the rest? *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
we believe Jesus come not to change any law of Moses. n we believe he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus also come to bring Prayers n Alms (charity). *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:09pm
muslims still carries out these Moses law also prayers n alms. *
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kekasih - 1.03.11 - 03:10pm
n ofcuz Prophet Muhammad SAAW will also complete the Law of God. *
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wilman - 1.03.11 - 03:12pm
leva,read isaiah i given.so u mean paul was riding a camel?lol *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 03:53pm
Kek you just quoted a verse that says the Helper is the Holy Spirit. If you can read the kjv version. As for muhamad keeping the comandments of Jesus, the act of Love on the cross is enough to show he aint following the comandments. Did he also say its ok to LIE under certain cir tances? Stephen couldve lied to save his life but he preferd to die. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 04:00pm
No wilman i mean you lonely and looking for someone to drag DOWN to your mentality and beat them with experience. All you can and want to do is discuss Paul. We talking bout the Holy Spirit but you want to talk bout Paul. No one mentioned Paul yet you come try to mock him. Yet dont you get over Paul? You got serious issues. *
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im.joker - 1.03.11 - 05:06pm
spirit of truth is the man who said we can lie under some cir tances ? wow *
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the_air - 1.03.11 - 05:19pm
Talk of a paradox! *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:23pm
If muhamad is the Spirit of truth and the bible says that the Spirit of truth will show us of things to come,how is it that muhamad could not perform miracles? All he claimed was that the quran was HIS greatest miracle. Wheres the prophecies? How can you attribute the title of prophet to him when allah gave him none? *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:35pm
Lets look at what Gods word says, Acts 5vs3.BUT PETER SAID ANANIAS WHY HATH SATAN FILLED THINE HEART TO LIE TO THE HOLY GHOST...Vs9 THEN PETER SAID UNTO HER,HOW IS IT THAT YE HAVE AGREED TOGETHER TO TEMPT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD? *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 12:55am
levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:42pm
So here we see a man and his wife lying to the Holy Spirit, first the man, and is accused of lying to the Holy Spirit then the woman accused of lying to the SPIRIT OF GOD. So unless muhamad is a god, the Holy Spirit cant be him as he wasnt born either at the time of Peter, so the couple couldnt have lied to him. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 05:52pm
Any muslim going to try and answer the questions? *
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smohamed - 1.03.11 - 05:58pm
yes I WILL. be patient I will answer you when I have time *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 06:49pm
twas all a dream *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 06:53pm
Ok. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 06:55pm
What was a dream? *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 06:57pm
wnc *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 07:05pm
Whats that? *
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bozzalad - 1.03.11 - 07:07pm
nowt , just wait *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 07:20pm
Huh? *
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bbw45 - 1.03.11 - 07:29pm
kek asks for christians 2 answer but as usual turns it in2 what her truth is *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 07:36pm
Lol ja was expected. *
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bbw45 - 1.03.11 - 08:03pm
bump b*mp *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 09:23pm
According to Acts the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of God is the same, now lets see Gen 1vs2...and the SPIRIT OF GOD moved apon the face of the waters. Was muhamad present at the Creation? Believing muhamad is the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit which is Gods Spirit and using a bit of logic we can see muhamad was there. *
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levafix - 1.03.11 - 09:36pm
1 cor 1 tells us about gifts given by Gods Spirit or according to muslims muhamad. Gifts include healing,miracles,faith,tongues,wisdom and even prophecy. Funny muhamad gives the gift of prophecy and miracles but he couldnt do either. Not one miracles apart from his claim to the quran. Think he must be the only prophet that claims to have quoted Gods words and deemed it as a miracle. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:01am
kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:02am
i just think like this, some of u, even if being shown Truth, just wont want to see it as truth. rather be deluded n saying the need to test the spirit but what is there to test if u urself not sure wether the Holy Spirit n the Spirit of The Truth is one. n most of u arent inform of who is Muhammad SAAW Al-Amin, n rather listen to hearsay. Lies is Forbidden n the Prophet never lies...not even to h *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:04am
not even to his enemies...not even to a ''kid''. n the Prophet SAAW also did alot of other miracles n prophecied alot that happened n happening now. n what about to happen. so make up ur mind in answering, is the holy Spirit in the bible SAME as the Spirit Of Truth? yes no? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:08am
if really u want to know the Truth, u wont mind to Read the Quran n u wont mind ur beliefs being questioned. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:12am
Prophet Muhammad SAAW is the First being thats been created by Allah SWT n the Last to be sent as The Seal of Prophet. so, yes, he was there all along with Allah SWT in Nur-Form (Spirit) while Allah SWT created Angels, Universe, Men etc... *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:14am
Only ONE Creator Allah SWT n the rest are HIS creatures...NONE same like Allah SWT n HE got no begotten son nor need to have any. HE is A God. *
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urvoice2 - 2.03.11 - 12:14am
first ? now you're having a laugh *
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urvoice2 - 2.03.11 - 12:17am
so he made muhammad before Adam, before Jesus, before harry hill ? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:18am
ok in Islam is like this, n simple, GOD=ALLAH SWT, Holy Spirit=Angel Gabriel, Spirit Of Truth=Prophet Muhammad SAAW. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 12:20am
we dont put partner to ALLAH SWT to Holy Spirit or to The Spirit Of Truth. ALLAH SWT is ONLY Creator, n HE created All Spirits. *
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im.joker - 2.03.11 - 03:47am
there is no partner of god in christianity too i suppose . . . *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 03:51am
hows that no partner if u put Jesus as the God also, the Holy Ghost/Spirit also the God, now the Spirit Of Truth/Helper/Paraclete also the God... *
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wilman - 2.03.11 - 03:57am
im.joker 2.03.11 - 03:47am there is no partner of god in christianity too i suppose . . . u really made me laugh now *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:17am
Kek i told you that you yourself quoted a vs which says that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter and i showed that the Holy Spirit and Spirit of God are all the same being! What more do you want? *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:28am
Ok YES KEK THEY ARE THE SAME BEING ALL OF THEM! Howcome the muhamad gives the ability to perform miracles and of prophecy but couldnt do either? Why did he never say that he was at creation or existed for a very long time? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:28am
when i quote that, i said these are TWO different being leva. n only Allah SWT is God. the rest (The Holy Ghost/Spirit, Spirit Of Truth/Helper/Paraclete, Jesus, are HIS (ALLAH SWT) creatures. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:04am
.kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:31am
@leva ''Quran n Ahlul Bayt (carries the Spirit Of Truth n the Guide till end Time)''' are forever... *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:33am
Jesus left u to look forward for these ''Spirit Of Truth'' to guide u forever right? Prophet Muhammad SAAW left us to look forward n hold on to ''Quran n Ahlul Bayt'' for all time guide till end of Time, so that none will go astray. the Ahlul Bayt carries this Spirit Of Truth n forever will be wth them till Imam Mahdi come. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:35am
I find it strange that you say he prophecied and did miracles yet he claimed only the quran. According to your reasoning the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of truth is Gabriel and muhamad. The bible says they the same. Why did your holy spirit come to the spirit of truth and tell him things he shouldve known. No angel came to Jesus to tell him what to say for he is eternal. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:39am
Prophet Muhammad SAAW had many miracles but the greatest miracle we take it as The Everlasting Holy Quran. n he did prophecied too many too...u just have to look it in the Holy Quran too to proof that, apart of many hadiths. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:41am
Jesus said that the Spirit of truth dwelt with his apostles, where was muhamad then? Jesus also said that the Spirit would be with us forever yet you just said mthamad left so i presume he is dead. But then how could an eternal being die? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:43am
all Prophets of Allah SWT have this Holy Spirit Gabriel came to them as thats how God's Messages (Books) conveyed to them. n some of them have spoken to God Directly too ie Moses n Muhammad SAAW (during Isra' Mi'raj he even go the closest to God, where even no angels has ever come closest distance to God). this only Prophet Muhammad SAAW speciality btw. none else have ever come this close to God. *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 04:44am
except Prophet Muhammad SAAW....not even the Angels of God has this speciality or status. k g2g. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:49am
You use the bible and the Spirit it speaks of yet it also tells you its all Gods Spirit and you dont want to accept that. We can now see that you make sense ONLY if you use selective reasoning! The vs clearly states the Holy Spirit and the Comforter are the same yet you see them as different. Selective reasoning is the only way you and your quran can make sense and you just proved it. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 04:58am
Then you also contradict the vs that you use to support you theory. You said that your spirit of truth shall be with you forever til imam mahdi comes. My dear that is not forever. As for muhamad being the closet to God i dnt think so. Jesus said the he was so close to the Father that the Father was in him. COULD MUHAMAD GET CLOSER THAN THAT? seriously doubt that! *
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wilman - 2.03.11 - 05:02am
leva wat do u mean by saying being closet to God?that's a rude insult huh *
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the_air - 2.03.11 - 05:55am
Think he meant CLOSEST *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 05:58am
the term being forever means the sealing of the law or the law itself....and it signifies the sealing of prophethood..... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 05:59am
Now you say the Father was in him (jesus) the bible states that every human being God has breathed into it....so your theory of Jesus as being the ONLY one filled is in correct *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:04am
seems like levafix forgets that the spirit (holy ghost - gabriel) came to jesus as well in the form of a dove a rushing wind etc.. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:06am
anyways Jesus was a staunch jew and followed the laws of the jews their belief was that the spirit was created one of the stuff created on the first day *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:05am
.smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:08am
and the spirit's function are the books of the Bible, all of which have been composed under its inspiration... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:10am
Jesus' first experience of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove was the result of his baptism by John Mt. 3:16 which seems to indicate its association with a certain stage in the spiritual development of man. The Holy Spirit did not descend upon him until he was baptised. The idea of a dove-like form is also met with in the Jewish literature *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:10am
the disciples' first experience of the Holy Spirit is a repetition of the old Jewish tradition. As there we find the Spirit coming with a voice of a great rushing *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:18am
brb *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 06:20am
@leva its u who picks to suit everything as God. now may i ask, how many Gods u have? *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 06:21am
i even say in here Holy Ghost is not same wth the Spirit Of Truth. these TWO different beings (creatures). *
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kekasih - 2.03.11 - 06:25am
n the Spirit Of Muhammad SAAW is still ALIVE...forever. n its also in his Fruit forever till end of time. the last Guide being Imam Mahdi, n after that this world is over n comes the Day of Judgement. the Spirit ofcuz lives on forever Eternally cuz Spirit of these people Lives forever. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:51am
The Gospels are full of the stories of the miracles wrought by Jesus Christ and in them, as in nothing else, is thought to lie the argument of his Divinity. Even the central fact in the Christian religion is a miracle: if Jesus did not rise from among the dead the Christian faith and the preaching of Christianity is in vain. Religious duties, normal teachings and spiritual awakening do not occupy *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:51am
the place which miracles do in the Gospels. The dead are made to rise from their graves, multitudes of the sick are healed, water is turned into wine, devils are cast out, and many other wonderful deeds are done. Suppose for the sake of argument that this record of Gospels is literally true; what was the effect of this on the lives of those who witnessed these miracles? *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:52am
One Gospel tells us that Jesus was followed by multitudes of sick persons who were all healed, another says that many were healed. Now, if either of these statements were true, not a single person should have been left in the land who should not have believed in Jesus. It is inconceivable that those who saw such extraordinary deeds done by Jesus Christ should have rejected him as a liar. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:53am
They saw the sick healed and the dead raised to life and yet they all disbelieved in him as if not a single miracle had been wrought! And how strange that even the great multitudes that were healed do not seem to have been believers in Jesus, though the Gospels tell us that faith was a condition prior to being healed; for if even these multitudes had believed in Jesus he would have had a following *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:57am
at the time of his crucifixion far more numerous than he actually had, and sufficiently large to baffle the authorities. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:58am
But what do we find? The following of Jesus is poor, not only as regards number, but also as regards its character. From among the five hundred that followed him he chose twelve who were to sit on twelve thrones, who were to be entrusted with the work after the Master, and these twelve showed a strange weakness of character, the greatest of them, Peter, denying Jesus thrice for fear of being treat *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 06:58am
treated harshly by the enemies, and not even hesitating to curse when he thought that a curse was the only means of escape. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:01am
anyways the poorness of the result attained by Jesus Christ notwithstanding all the stories of miracles becomes the more prominent when compared with the wonderful results attained by the great World Prophet that appeared in Arabia. The Holy Prophet had before him a nation which had never before been guided to truth, among whom no prophet had appeared before him, the attempts at whose reformation *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:06am
smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:02am
by both the Jews and the Christians had proved an utter failure. This nation had, both as regards material civilisation and moral calibre, been sunk in the depth of degradation, and for centuries the voice of the reformers had fallen on deaf ears. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:03am
Yet within less than a quarter of a century a wonderful transformation was brought about. The old evils had all disappeared, and ignorance and superstition had given place to love of knowledge and learning. From the disunited elements of a people who did not deserve the name of a nation had sprung up a living and united nation before whose onward march in the world the greatest nations of the worl *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:03am
But this material advancement was only the result of an inner change, of a moral and spiritual transformation, the equal of which has not been witnessed in the world. Thus both morally and materially, Muhammad, may peace and the blessings of God be upon him, raised a nation from the depths of degradation to the highest plane of advancement *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:03am
As against this, what did Jesus do? He had before him the Jewish nation read in scriptures and practising many virtues at least externally. He also found them living under a civilised government with advantages of a material civilisation to help their progress. In spite of these advantages he was unable to produce the least change in the life of that nation as a whole. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:05am
Then certain of the Scribes and the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas (Matt. 12:38, 39 *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:05am
Here we have a plain denial to show any sign except the one sign of Jonas, which is understood by some commentators as meaning the sign of preaching, by others as remaining in the grave (alive of course, as Jonas was) for three days and three nights. If Jesus worked such great wonders, how was it that the Pharisees asked for a sign and how was it that Jesus refused to show any sign. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:06am
In answer to their demand, he ought to have referred to the testimony of the thousands that had been healed; in fact, the masses around him should have silenced the questioners by their evidence. But no such thing happened. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:07am
so the miracles aint so significant afterall levafix. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:23am
john 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now, Howbeit when he the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you the things to come. He shall glorify me *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 07:23am
this is a bit of a stumbling block for you hey levafix... *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:02am
thats true @ shady Show me a miracle of Abraham, show me a miracle of Israel, or of Moses, or Jesus. . . ? Truth is that all the miracles performed by these Prophets have perished with them. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:03am
slm.. *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:07am
is theholy ghost the prince of the world? *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:08am
Although Muhammed (saw) performed countless miracles, which are on record, his only 'claim to fame' is Al-Quran, cos it is a standin, existin, miracle that will abide with the people till the end of time! All miracles of other Prophets dont exist today *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:09am
yes i agree but the foundation of religion according to Islam wasnt based on miracles....but one *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:07am
.smohamed - 2.03.11 - 09:10am
brb *
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wilman - 2.03.11 - 09:15am
Holy Quran is the greatest miracle ever *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:16am
wsalaam shady. From the verse u quoted, it can be seen that the Spirit of Truth cannot be a ghost of any sort- it has to be a human bein. *
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gaolach - 2.03.11 - 09:18am
arrogant *
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afriend - 2.03.11 - 09:23am
prince of the world- lets hear what Leva has to say about it *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 11:36am
Smo if i wanted to hear all that i wouldve bought the book then you wouldnt have wasted your time quoting all that. Still waiting for you to answer me though. *
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the_air - 2.03.11 - 11:41am
The prince of the world in the Bible is Satan. He's also called the god of this world and the god of this evil age. *
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the_air - 2.03.11 - 11:45am
Jesus promised to cast out the prince of the world. ''Now is the judgement of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.'' John 12:31 *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:25pm
lol I have answered you to a certain extent... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:28pm
thank you the air....for your definition of prince of this world *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:31pm
smohamed 2.03.11 - 05:03pm But this material advancement was only the result of an inner change, of a moral and spiritual transformation, the equal of which has not been witnessed in the world. Thus both morally and materially, Muhammad, may peace and the blessings of God be upon him, raised a nation from the depths of degradation to the highest plane of advancement , I normally hate to copy and *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:32pm
I normally hate copy and paste but smo if you believe in that statement you pasted, well I hope you've pasted it, then you need to take up on some ancient history lessons *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:34pm
well yes i beliwve that statement... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:34pm
believe *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:40pm
anyways enlighten me mandain *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:08am
mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:45pm
Go do a search on history of the world during and after the times of Muhammad, and see if you still feel that way *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:47pm
i still do remember we speaking about moral, and spiritual and physical upliftment ....and if you think there is a match then please do enlighten me *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:47pm
Both morally and materially the most advanced being the keyword *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:50pm
Aha now spiritual as well, material got dropped? Fine but moral spiritual and physical upliftments are all debatable none are set in stone *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:51pm
So do include all of it *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:52pm
I dont think you understand the statement mandain *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 12:53pm
Then enlighten me *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 12:58pm
key words: material advancement was only the result of an inner change, of a moral and spiritual transformation *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:00pm
Thus both morally and materially Muhammad (saw) raised a nation from the depths of degradation to the highest plane of advancement .... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:01pm
so if you think their is a nation that fits this criteria then please enlighten me *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 01:07pm
What is the definition of a material advancement in this case with Arabia? An after all this advancements what happened to the Arabian peninsula? *
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mandain - 2.03.11 - 01:10pm
So do you think the nation of Muhammad both morally and materially is the most advanced in the world at the time? That is my question *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:39pm
well firstly can you name a nation that evolved in a good way because of a moral and spiritual change? *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 01:43pm
anyways material in a sense of muslims contributed to the advancement of maths, sciences etc...establishments of universities and so forth all srpung up because of Islam....in a nutshell *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 03:34pm
No smo you answerd nothing. Stil waiting *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:09am
smohamed - 2.03.11 - 03:35pm
read my comments levafix *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 05:53pm
Why do you think i said you didnt answer anything? *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 08:26pm
becauser you didn't read what isaid ... *
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smohamed - 2.03.11 - 08:28pm
if you not satisfied please let me know what you I didn answer *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 09:07pm
All you talk bout is the baptism of Jesus, the miracles, his poor followers and how great muhamad is. Its also clear that you got your info from a muslim source. Obviously itl agree with what you saying, i mean like duh! No unitarian would quote a tritarian where describing God. *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 09:09pm
Please tell me where you explained the following. WHY DID MUHAMAD NOT SAY THAT HE WITNESSED THE CREATION? WHY DID HE NOT SAY THE HE EXISTED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME? *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 09:13pm
JESUS SAID THAT THE SPIRIT WOULD DWELL WITH US FOREVER, WHERE IS MUHAMAD NOW? WHERE WAS HE AT THE TIME OF THE APOSTELS?WHAT MAKES YOU SAY GABRIEL IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?HOW IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND THE HOLY GHOST NOT THE SAME? *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 09:21pm
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR GABRIEL TO FATHER JESUS?WHY WAS MUHAMAD AFRAID WHEN GABRIEL APEARED TO HIM? SURELY THEY MUSTVE KNOWN EACH OTHER IN HEAVEN?HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE SPIRIT OF GOD OR MUHAMAD TO BE INFLUENCED BY SATAN?JESUS SAID THAT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH WOULD COME FROM THE FATHER YET YOU DONT BELIEVE ALLAH TO BE A FATHER.JESUS SAID THE SPIRIT WOULD BRING GLORY TO HIM,WHAT DID MUHAMAD DO? *
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levafix - 2.03.11 - 09:34pm
Acts 1 4 n 5 SAYS THAT THE SPIRIT WOULD COME IN A FEW DAYS, HOW COME MUHAMAD CAME 600 YEARS LATER? WHAT KEPT MUHAMAD? Ill be waiting for your answer SMO *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:01am
levafix 2.03.11 - 09:09pm Please tell me where you explained the following. WHY DID MUHAMAD NOT SAY THAT HE WITNESSED THE CREATION? WHY DID HE NOT SAY THE HE EXISTED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME? // YES Prophet Muhammad SAAW did said he was created first n will be sent Last as the Seal of Prophethood. i did tell this in my previous replies leva. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:03am
levafix - 2.03.11 - 09:13pm JESUS SAID THAT THE SPIRIT WOULD DWELL WITH US FOREVER, WHERE IS MUHAMAD NOW? WHERE WAS HE AT THE TIME OF THE APOSTELS?WHAT MAKES YOU SAY GABRIEL IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?HOW IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND THE HOLY GHOST NOT THE SAME? // which Spirit are u talking about now? cuz we believe the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel n The Spirit of Truth is Prophet Muhammad SAAW, n he is w *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:05am
n he (Prophet Muhammad SAAW) IS with us now. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:09am
@leva Jesus dont have father, he was born miraculously with the word ''BE'' same as how Adam is with the word ''BE'' ''so it BE''. this the Word of God when HE created them. the Holy Spirit Gabriel is the one who came to Mary to tell this Gift of a child to Mary. n God is Able to do this easily wthout Mary having a husband. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:13am
WHY WAS MUHAMAD AFRAID WHEN GABRIEL APEARED TO HIM? // why do u think Prophet Muhammad SAAW afraid seeing Gabriel? NO...who said he was afraid at Gabriel? do u know how afraid Jesus was during his every prayers (worshipping God)? that fear of God not fear of Gabriel...especially when thats abt time his Prophethood will Begin n thats a big burden n Prophet Muhammad SAAW fear God not Gabriel. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:16am
as his time of Prophethood will begin, n that carries huge responsibility what do u think a person will react? cool? ofcuz not right? n his fear of God is huge...he knows hes gna be a Prophet SAAW when time come by God. what do u think he worship God since he was born for if he didnt know who is he himself? even his mother knew shes expecting a Last Prophet to be....he was born wth miraculous eve *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:10am
kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:16am
events too n those surround him in his house knew too...not just his mother btw... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:21am
many miraculous event happened during his growing up (childhood) of Prophet Muhammad SAAW too n thats not the first time Gabriel came to him btw, when he was 4 yrs old, Gabriel came to wash his inner soul with Holy Water from heaven n this happend few times in Prophet Muhammad's SAAW life ie before he went up during ''Isra' Miraj'' to meet God'' above the Sidratul Muntaha (Gabriel stop here-but Pr *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:23am
but Prophet Muhammad SAAW still able n allowed to went up to God with close distance just a veil in between God n him that time). which no Angel not able even to come this close to God... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:23am
but Prophet Muhammad SAAW still able n allowed to went up to God with close distance just a veil in between God n him that time). which no Angel able even to come this close to God... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:25am
so, hes not afraid of Gabriel ok...he met Gabriel plenty of time before even the incident of in the cave where his Prophethood should start. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:26am
Prophet Muhammad SAAW close Guardian is God HIMSELF...all along... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:28am
he was an orphan, but he knew how to worship Allah SWT all along since he was born in the state of worshipping n even circucized at birth, his thumb flows milk n he knew how to s*ckled his own thumb from birth too... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:31am
ah theres many other miraculous happenings if were to list on from his birth to growing up n everything...would be long list... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:32am
alas hes not like other ordinary children...he was well mannered n an intelligent child n wise. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:36am
JESUS SAID THE SPIRIT WOULD BRING GLORY TO HIM,WHAT DID MUHAMAD DO? // Prophet Muhammad SAAW Glorified Allah SWT day n night...n he brought peace upon Jesus n Mary to clear the accu t of some that Mary wasnt chastise women even). he brought up Jesus name in Accepting that Jesus is also from God n one of the mighty Prophet of God. he clears falsehood n Light the Light of Righteousness n Mantain *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:38am
n Mantains God's Commandments back again to Worship ONLY ALLAH SWT none else same as ALLAH SWT. thats the first Commandment every Prophet would bring btw. Glorify Allah SWT as the ONLY God. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:44am
The Most Exalted, Eternal n The ONLY Creator worth of Worships...Prophet Muhammad SAAW loves Allah SWT very very much...none that he say from himself but it Allah SWT that Guides him n be his Guardian all along...n he was well respected even by the adults during his childhood... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:45am
he was all along Protected by Allah SWT too...do u know that wherever he goes, therel be a cloud that shelter him from the heat of the sun? yeah thats one of his miracle too...n he got no shadow! *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:48am
none can come to hurt him but felt tripped before even reaching to hurt him. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:50am
he is never Forsaken by Allah SWT...not even a single blink of a time...Allah SWT is his Protector n Guardian n Master that Teaches him things directly. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:11am
.kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:51am
even when adults have arguments, they will come to seek Prophet Muhammad SAAW advice... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 01:54am
n not simply adults...the adults are chiefs of different clans...Prophet Muhammad SAAW settles their issues of who got more rights to put the Hajar Aswad at the Ka'ba. he was very wise indeed...(SAAW). *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 02:00am
well there are many more infos u just gota read abt him to know all his miracles, who taught him, altho he was an orphan since born...he seclude himself in worships most of time just to be close to Allah SWT. he never burden his mother, a very understanding child, wise, full of dignity n respected by his surrounding, n loved by all. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 02:01am
he was called n praised by all as an ''Al-Amin'' = ''The Trustworthy One''. *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 02:02am
even when he was just a child... *
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kekasih - 3.03.11 - 02:04am
Allahumma Salli Alaa Sayyidina Muhammad Wa Alaa Aali Sayyidina Muhammad. Subhan Allah. *
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kathie01 - 3.03.11 - 04:20am
Christians n Bible? Really? *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:27am
What i dnt get is you claim that Jesus predicted the Spirit of Truth as muhamad, but it also says the Holy Spirit is the Comfortermaking it the Spirit of Truth which is the Spirit of God which is God,logic. Yet you say they not, where in the bible does it say that Kek? Using what you say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit,we go tn when he appeared to Mary. *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 05:30am
It's like Blasphemy imo, in the Christian belief to say that Muhammad is the Spirit of Truth / Comforter, as it is the Holy Spirit. *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:36am
The he told he of her going to bear a child,when she agreed the Holy Spirit came over her. So Gabriel infact came over her, yet you said allah said be and he was. Now which is true? Also Acts has the Holy Spirit as God so by using what you saying, Gabriel is God, yet he came with a message from God. So now we have allah,Gabriel and muhamad, YOUR OWN GLORIOUS TRINITY! *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:38am
Just using what she gave me Beige. *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 05:39am
I kno. *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:39am
Meant then he told her of her not he *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:41am
Good had me worried there for a minute *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:46am
levafix my friend you definitately have a few issues understanding your bible...Its common knowledge that Gabriel is the one the brings revelation to prophets, I already touched on this before BUT you for some reason did not bother reading what I said anyways lets use the verse i quoted last which you so candidly ignored. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:12am
.smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:48am
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now, Howbeit when he the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you the things to come. He shall glorify me *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:51am
Lets peruse the above verse you all agree that according to your beliefs The Father, The son and the Holy ghost is One...now in the above verse Jesus says that he have many things to say but he cannot bear it now....he will send a being to come and GUIDE people into ALL TRUTH...Now with respect to the Holy ghost does the spirit convey msg's and guidance to his people? IF this is the holy ghost and *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:54am
he is ONE with the father and the son.... then the verse is contradictory for he will not speak of HIMSELF ...... likewise with the msg if they ONE from who shall he get the msg ??? Did the holy ghost show you tthings to come???? keeping in mind that the holy ghost and Jesus is one and keeping in mind that he shall not speak of himself How can he then glorify Jesus? *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:55am
anyways levafix what does comforter/paraclete mean please *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:56am
and what i was speaking about miracles etc...is truth...the bible says so... *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 05:59am
We, as Christians, see as much Muhammad in all ur verses as u saw Muhammad in Bozz's post. Nothin will ever make us accept Muhammad. And i don't mean it with disrespect. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:08am
acts 1??? 5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. bro levafix the baptism using the holy ghost ???? is that the spirit of truth that will teach and guide people unto all truth ???? or is it just in comparison to Jesus baptism when the spirit descended in a form of a dove.. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:09am
well its just a discussion beige....use it dont use it... *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:11am
now lets assume its the holy ghost how does he fit into the next verse *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:11am
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Paraclete will not come unto you...... and when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement (John, 16 : 7-8). *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 06:15am
Smo, that wasn't really the reaction Bozza's post got. As u said, it's a discussion, i didn't say stfu Smo, i just gave my thoughts. That, as far as i kno, is allowed. *
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kathie01 - 3.03.11 - 06:16am
The truth into which the Holy spirit guides us is the truth about Christ. Jesus saod the Holy spirit would tell them( the apostles) 'about the future'--which mean the nature of their mission, the opposition they would encounter, and the final outcome of their mission. *
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kathie01 - 3.03.11 - 06:18am
Christians n bible? really? @ pw *
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3mel - 3.03.11 - 06:21am
its always safer n more reliable 2 assume u r not correct in wat u understand than it is 2 believe u r correct. u r all taking a guess about matters above our pay grade and not 4 the purpose of being able 2 understand, but 2 win an arguement. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:21am
well I didnt say you not allowed to give ya thoughts...because i just gave mine aswell.... *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:13am
smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:23am
actually not 3mel...the topic is more vast than this....and its not to win an arguement but just put out there for us to stimulate the brain and to pnder and reflect on it... *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 06:24am
Nou ja ne... *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:24am
the more i try to multi task the more i find grammar mistakes.. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:26am
anyways this is a religion topic afterall... there was no malice or derogatory terms used on myside ....and levafix etc.. did not use any bad terms etc aswell. *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 06:29am
i post in wrong forums when multi taskin. At least u stay in the right place. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:39am
i do that so now and then i mix my gtalk up with pro lol *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:40am
and once I had a verse or two added into one of my board reports lol *
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3mel - 3.03.11 - 06:42am
wateva the truth is is wats true, and if u ever came 2 kno wat that was without any question to remain in your mind, u could still never prove any of it 2 anyone else *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:45am
I know 3mel.... *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 06:45am
well to be honest i kind of agree with you 3mel.... *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 06:47am
aww bless u poor Smo. *
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beige1 - 3.03.11 - 06:51am
U kno, i often wonder.. Mayb it's another topic, but does it matter? Does it really matter if i believe that Muhammad was or wasn't in the Bible etc etc. Isn't it most important that we believe in God, trust in God etc. Isn,t it that what counts when the day is done. *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 10:29am
Yes Smo baptism of the Holy Ghost and not baptism of Gabriel. The vs you quoted said in a few days yet muhamad came nearly 600 yrs later. Thats a whole lotta few days to me. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 01:16pm
there is no relation *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 01:17pm
between acts and the prophecies in john *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:13am
levafix - 3.03.11 - 02:04pm
Huh? In John we told the Spirit of Truth will come the we see in Acts the Holy Spirit comes. How on earth can it not be related? Jesus said it would come in a few days and it did! Please explain how they not related,how can a prophecy and the fulfilment thereof not be related? *
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airwalkr - 3.03.11 - 02:16pm
Interesting... Do muslims believe that the Holy Spirit resides in them?.. Smo.. very quickly about the miracles, Jesus Jesus preformed to many for the books to contain, Honestly though he wasnt a show pony. His refusal to them wasnt because of an inability to do so, but because of the incorrect desires of their hearts. If Jesus not producing miracles were the case, then by no means could the *
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airwalkr - 3.03.11 - 02:17pm
Pharisees blaspheme the Holy Spirit by attributing His miracles to satan. though they knew the truth. *
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airwalkr - 3.03.11 - 02:20pm
Quite honestly its funny to see someone compare the messiah and say Jesus is He.. yet seem to forget the prophecies concerning the messiah in their quest for logical solutions that would then take Jesus out of the scope of being the messiah. Absolute truth, has no anomalies. Inductive reasoning, is not absolute. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 02:39pm
cool now its getting productive.....anyways g2g will pop in when I have time...busy day today *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 02:47pm
@levafix quick question is the holy ghost ever referred to as the spirit of truth? *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 02:49pm
why the term another comforter/paraclete is used in John? *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 02:56pm
@airwalker Muslims believ that God breathed life into us....its not the not doing of miracles i was referring to it is the fact that jesus admits its by the hand of God he does what he did..my talking of it was the fact that his support was weak...liek the bible says a evil nation seeks for a sign... *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 02:57pm
anyways Im speaking in bits and bobs....I will pop in tomorrow again when I have time and elaborate abit more on what i said.... *
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revived - 3.03.11 - 03:26pm
Mmmmmmmmm ! I Love the book of John . Lets have a look at it , shall we ? *
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revived - 3.03.11 - 03:30pm
The author is not states but traditionally attributed to John , the discipel whom Jesus loved (John 21:7) brother of James and son of Zebedee (Matthew 4:21) *
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revived - 3.03.11 - 03:34pm
It was written around the AS 90s .. .. John sumed up in 10 words , , , Jesus Is God Himself , the Only Savior of the world . *
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revived - 3.03.11 - 03:42pm
QUOTABLE FROM JOHN . . . In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God , and the Word was God . (1:1) . . . . . . For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting life (3:16) *
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revived - 3.03.11 - 03:49pm
I am the bread of life (6:35) . . . Iam the good shepherd , the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep . (10:11 . . . I am the way, the truth , and the life , no man cometh unto the Father , but by me (14:6) *
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revived - 3.03.11 - 04:03pm
I the book of John you will see the very 1st miracle of Jesus . So is His raising of Lazarus from the dead . His healing of a man born blind and His long distance healing of a noblemans son . *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:14am
.levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:08pm
What i dont get get is you never answered my questions yet you expect me to answer you! Anyway Smo here it goes. Jesus doesnt exactly say the Spirit of truth is the Holy Spirit but he says it indirectly. John 14vs26 and John 15vs26. *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:24pm
John 14vs26 BUT THE COMFORTER,WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST...John15vs26 BUT WHEN THE COMFORTER IS COME,WHOM I WILL SEND UNTO YOU FROM THE FATHER, EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. So we see that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth,so it only stands to reason that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. This very same Spirit comes from God and is God, the story of Ananias and his wife prove *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:31pm
That Jesus sent the Fathers Spirit or Gods Spirit, Acts 2vs18. So if muhamad is the Spirit of Truth he must be God. Then if he is God why die he, muhamad, have to send an angel to himself, Gabriel which is also God as the Holy Spirit,to tell him muhamad, things he already knew as God knows everything. I could go further but i might go crazy not knowing who is what in this islamic trinity. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:45pm
erm levafix I'm not the one with trinitarian issues my belief Is simple jesus was a prophet fortelling the coming of a another prophet I.e praised one...conveying the message of *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:49pm
sent from God I.e he will speak what his been told, he shall not speak about himself... his coming will only occur once jesus is gone, he will guide people I.e bring the law, he will abide with us forever I.e seal prophethood. etc. etc *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:51pm
anyways the reference in acts is that the holy spirit will come to the disciples simarlily as he cam to jesus. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:54pm
infact I will say again is it not sacrilege to believ jesus is without the spirit barring in mind the verse if I go not away he will not come? *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 05:56pm
John14vs17 Jesus said to his disciples that the Holy Spirit is dwelling with them, now remember the vs as itll prove two things.1st we see Jesus telling them that the Holy Spirit dwells WITH them. Then what does Jesus do?He gives them the Holy Spirit John 20vs22.At Pentecost we see that they are BAPTISED with the Holy Spirit or with the Spirit of Truth. *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:57pm
anyways that's not an indirect gesture that the holy spirit is the spirit of truth.... g2g *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:58pm
qoute the verses here *
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smohamed - 3.03.11 - 05:58pm
I will check it out later *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 06:06pm
2ndly we focus on John14vs16 where Jesus says hell send ANOTHER COMFORTER. Remembr vs 17? He dwells with you? Jesus is refering to Himself we only need to read vs 18. I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS, I WILL COME TO YOU.The only way they could be comfortless is to lose their Comforter who was Jesus. So Jesus is the Comforter who is the Holy Spirit who is God. *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 06:17pm
Hope youll find someway to answer the questions i posted to you last night. *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 06:25pm
So Jesus is the 1st Comforter and the other Comforter would be the Holy Spirit, and not Gabriel, when Gabriel came to Mary he did not say I will overshadow thee but said the Power of the Highest. Who is higher than God the Father? *
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levafix - 3.03.11 - 06:29pm
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would come from the FATHER,muslims do not believe in God being a father,for in order to be a father one needs to have a son,Jesus was that Son. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:15am
kekasih - 4.03.11 - 12:39am
@kathie yeah this Spirit Of Truth we both believed in christians n muslims. so the title i want to know more on ur part of Who is the Spirit Of Truth really n pls see this, this is why i open this topic, cuz in the bible, its confusing n its like hiding whos the Spirit of The Truth Really is...- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v3YXu5Cmw *
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urvoice2 - 4.03.11 - 12:46am
Youtube *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 12:46am
n it is very important to know who really is The Spirit Of Truth. cuz rejecting The Spirit Of Truth after he come, is a great loss. but we muslim is sure it is Prophet Muhammad SAAW. now u show me ur part, are u sure its the Holy Spirit? anyway the Holy Spirit n Spirit Of Truth or even any other Spirits, are all creation n theres Only ONE Creator Allah SWT, who created all these spirits. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 01:01am
who has Blaspheme who now? dont u want to know the Truth? or rather not find out n discuss it at all n stay deluded? *
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kathie01 - 4.03.11 - 03:18am
The Bible is not about what muslims beleive kek. The Bible is the Word of God, and it is very clear as to who is the Holy Spirit. Make no mistake about it, it is NOT muhammand. *
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revived - 4.03.11 - 04:22am
Huuuu ! . . . . *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 05:12am
Kek over and over i posted that its the Holy Spirit yet you ignore it and keep saying the Holy Spirit is Gabriel and Spirit of truth is muhamad. Cant u read? *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 05:21am
If you can read the last few pages i posted, itl tell you that God is the Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit. There now you know. *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 05:23am
so Jesus received the holy ghost when he was baptized? John the baptist received the holy ghost before he was born! And if Jesus was speaking to his disciplines only, it woul mean that the comforter was for the disciples only. *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 05:26am
If we to take what you believe kek and apply it to the bible, muslims would be worshiping allah as a triune god. We know this not the case so that means you have another holy spirit and spirit of truth. They are not the same as the the Comforter which is Jesus and God. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:28am
but leva, NONE same as God. n theres Only ONE God. HE is the Creator of all spirits ie Holy Spirits, Evil Spirits, Human Spirits. n none of these spirits can be God. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:31am
to muslims, only Allah SWT is God Almighty. Holy Spirits are Angels, Holly Prophets, Holy People. and Evil Spirits are Satan, Evil People. so to say, the Holy Spirits can be God's Messengers ie Angels n Prophets- they are one with God n accepting all God's Messengers are must to us, we must believe in Angels of God, Prophets Of God. n if u reject especially The Last Messenger of God, is worse. *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 05:32am
and what did the comforter Tell the disciples, how did the comforter reprove the world of sin, how did the comforter glorify Jesus? If u say Jesus was the 1st comforter, then the 2nd comforter would be just like him, ie a human being. I have many things to tell u but u cannot bear them now, however, in 6 days u will be able to bear it *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:33am
I can't n wont ever believe that a human is the Holy Spirit. To me, that is Blasphemy. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:35am
But Afriend, we, Christians, don't believe that Jesus was just a man. He was the Son of God to us, who came down in Human form. In religion, everyone's truth differs. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:16am
.kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:38am
n leva if the Holy Spirit is also the Comforter that Jesus Prophecied is God, that would mean God n Jesus never met before? cuz according to Jesus, The Comforter (if itsGod) will come only after he left. thats very confusing isnt it. meaning Jesus is not a God too then, as he say he cant make the Disciple grasp what is from him. if Jesus is a God, how then he is unable to make people/hi grasp him? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:39am
*people/his Disciples grasp him? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:40am
infact many in the bible passage that cant simply be understood becuz of all this. ie the doctrine of Trinity too, needs alot to be explain even among the christians finds it difficult to understand. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:41am
now, what u believe leva? is Jesus son of God or is Jesus the God himself to u leva? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:43am
how can God The Almighty be same as anything/creatures? isnt that a blasphemy in itself? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:47am
also a loving God, why would HE sacrifice HIS own son, if Jesus Jesus is son of God, cant God just Forgive sins without killing anybody? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:48am
a Father that loves their child, would not ever kill any of their child. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:48am
Abraham was willin to. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:49am
Why'd a lovin God ask that of Abraham? Why'd a lovin God test a man's faith in that way.. God does things that we don't always understand. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:49am
if Jesus is God himself, he shouldnt also do Suicide. now, i think thats why people becoming atheist. theres no logic in it, unless u still want to put it as faith alone. cuz theres so many things in the bible that got mixed. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:51am
still God never kill Ismail...only a Test. but Jesus? u believed his dead on the cross right? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:52am
n Abraham is not A Loving ''God''. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:54am
A test yes.. But would u test sum1 u love that cruely? Yes. God made the 'law' that sins can only be forgiven if blood washed it away. Therefore he sent the ultimate Lamb. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:55am
I never said Abraham was a god. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:56am
a God who Forbids murder n suicide but HE is doing it Himself? *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:17am
beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:57am
That Kek, is why u get Christians n Muslims. We don't believe it the same way. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:58am
the 12 Disciples of Jesus dont believe the one who is dead on the cross was Jesus anyway. are they all gna go to hell cuz they dont believe that? *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 05:59am
I'm not God, i can't say who's goin to hell n who isn't. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 05:59am
yeah we dont believe it the same way for sure, still nothing wrong to question all these for truth may be revealed. isnt Truth important to u? *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:03am
U said 'that's why ppl become Atheist' if that's true, n Islam makes more sense, why'd the become Atheist nd not Muslim? *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:05am
Truth? When it comes to religion, truth is our interpretation n perception. Ur truth isn't mine. My truth isn't urs. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:05am
have u seen the link i gave? if not pls see. n also read this link- http://www.discoveringislam.org/comforter_spirit_of_truth.htm *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:06am
in ur bible, the Holy Spirit are not same as The Spirit Of Truth... *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:08am
n The Holy Spirit also not same as Jesus. so who is This Spirit Of Truth in the bible? really u dont want to know him? thats fine then...maybe others would want to know tho. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:09am
n what id like to know, also, which Spirit that the christians CANT Blaspheme? *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:09am
A link, or a youtube clip wont make a diffs, so no. I'm not interested in Islam's truth, as it isn't, n never will be mine. Just as Christianity will never be urs. I don't want to be a Muslim. I'm either a Christian or Atheist, if i ever lose my faith. And that isn't said to give offence. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:10am
I'm not sayin others aren't interested. I speak for myself only. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:11am
but u should...if ure interested in this topic, which u show the interest. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:12am
now lets leva show his Truth to us then, since ure not interested, itl be no point to talk to u. @beige1. cuz ur intend just shutting it up. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:13am
U can't tell me what i should.. I don't do links. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:18am
.kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:14am
then i shall ignore u. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:14am
Kek, i didn't try shut u or the topic up once.. And Leva has told u repeatdly. Just coz u don't believe it as he does, doesn't mean he didn't tell u. *
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beige1 - 4.03.11 - 06:15am
U are most welcome to ignore me. Wont make the sun go down. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:17am
ok @leva explain to me - Luke 6:40. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:23am
John 16:7-13 (Lamsa Bible translation from Aramaic M cripts) - But I tell you the truth, It is better for you that I should go away; for if I do not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I should go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will rebuke the world concerning sin, concerning righteousness, and concerning Judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe in m *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:25am
Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; Concerning righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you will not see me again; Concerning judgment, because the leader of this world has been judged. Again, I have many other things to tell you, but you cannot grasp them now. But when the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all the truth: *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:26am
for he will not speak from himself, but what he hears, that he will speak: and he will make known to you things which are to come in the future. He will glorify me; because he will take of my own and show to you. Everything that my Father has is mine; this is the reason why I told you that he will take of my own and show to you.//end quote. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 06:27am
good points made afriend i was slowly but surely going to get to that... *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:27am
The difference between Muslims and Christians is that Muslims use the original words that Jesus and all the prophets used. In speaking of John 16:7-13, most Christians will tell you that the ''Comforter'' Jesus will send is the Holy Ghost. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:29am
But keep in mind that the Holy Ghost was around before Jesus. In the Aramaic, we see that the translation is ''Spirit.'' Jesus, peace be upon him, was talking about the one who would ONLY appear when ''He joined His Father in Heaven''. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:30am
The Muslim view of the phrase, ''He joined His Father in Heaven,'' is that Jesus never joined God, but is in the second heaven waiting until God to send him on his ''second coming''. This Spirit of Truth (a man) was never around before. The man that Jesus prophesied was Muhammad. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:31am
If this information is surprising to you, let me take it a step further. Christians and Jews alike have forgotten the history of the Great Nation that was to come out of Ishmael, and the 12 princes that came out of him. Where is the conclusion of the story of Ishmael, and why was it unfinished? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:38am
Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Aalihi wasallam. *
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iilmadme - 4.03.11 - 06:43am
I thought that muslims believed the original words of Jesus had been corrupted n lost *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:45am
still we can see even in the corrupt version theres the word paraclete there is not the Holy Ghost iilmad. see this guy explains it well here- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v3YXu5Cmw *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:20am
.iilmadme - 4.03.11 - 06:46am
It reminds me of the way that i used to try to understand the bible but still end up becuz i cudnt quite trust that it was true.How duz this not exasperate u to the point where u'd rather stick to wat u trust? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:47am
hes an ex-christian btw. *
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iilmadme - 4.03.11 - 06:47am
I duno if i can get to youtube,kek x *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:48am
it is very important to find out Who The Spirit Of Truth is tho iilmadme. :) *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 06:52am
@iilmadme well we have the Quran as a discrimator between right and wrong... *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 06:52am
Thats the funny thing illmadme, they tryin so hard to convice everyone by twisting 1 scripture, but theres many scriptures saying Jesus is the Son of God. They so quick to shout 'thats corrupted' lol *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 06:54am
@unquite and their is sufficient verses in the bible that states Jesus was but a mere man a prophet...anyways we know the bible is corrupted because the commentators and compilers gives us ample proof thereof not to mention how christianity diverted from true monotheism preached by adam, moses etc to a triune god *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:56am
how about the verses that says Jesus is also Son of a Man? @unquiet. u gna ignore that? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 06:58am
The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ, besides being a ''Messiah'' was also a prophet like Moses, by his own admission. Please see John 5:46 and 9:17. Hence to say that the coming of ''another Paraclete'' was similar to the coming of ''another Prophet'' like Jesus and Moses, would not be inaccurate. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:00am
OTOH, the concept of ''Holy Spirit'' is unequivocally negated by the following verse: ''But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.'' John 16:7 *
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iilmadme - 4.03.11 - 07:00am
kek x *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:01am
read on this btw- http://www.islamworld.net/docs/prop.html *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:02am
@unquiet. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:03am
God Bless u iilmad x *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 07:04am
Kek while you still got your bible open in John, wont you please tell us wot John 20:31 says... *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:21am
smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:04am
kek *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:05am
''He shall glorify me.'' John 16:14- Note: The Quran glorifies the birth of Jesus through Virgin Mary. The Quran also confirms, Jesus was a Messiah; a Messenger of God; the Spirit from God; the Word of God and the Righteous Prophet. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:06am
u tell me unquiet. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:07am
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:07am
''He shall take mine and shall disclose it to you.'' Jn.16:14- Note: Muhammad did declare himself a Messenger of God like Abraham, Moses and Jesus. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:09am
''He will teach you all things.'' John 14:26- Note: The Quran teaches a way of life. It guides mankind, how to live a pious life socially, politically and spiritually. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:09am
theres the verse unquite......anyways Luke narrates that the Jews questioned Jesus: Art thou then the son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am why did Jesus deny it here? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:10am
''He will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.'' Jn.14:26- Note: The Quran speaks about the teaching of the righteous Jesus and even quotes him. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:10am
heres another one unquite: But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God; this did not Abraham (John, 8 : 40) *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:11am
''He will bear witness of me'' John 15:26- Note: The Quran attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah. It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded. The Quran acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2 *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:12am
The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB). *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:13am
Prophet Isaiah is considered to be one of the major prophets of the Old Testament. In the Book of Isaiah there are several prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. In chapter 42, Isaiah begins with a prophecy for the coming of prophet Jesus. After verse number nine, God declares through Isaiah, the ''new things'' that are to ''spring forth'' in the Land of Kedar. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:14am
In the Bible there is only one personality called Kedar. He was the grandson of prophet Abraham, through his son Ishmael (see Gen.25:13). Kedar's descendants had settled in Paran (Syno-Arabian dessert). In the Rabbinic literature Arabia is called the ''Land of Kedar''. Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Kedar. *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 07:15am
No. Jesus is not denying being the son read John 10:36. Mohammed wont you please tell us wot Jesus said in John 10:36 *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:16am
God declares through Isaiah; ''Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. 'Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:23am
kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:18am
let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands.'' Chapter 42, Verses 9-12. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:19am
God did reveal in the Land of Kedar, through prophet Muhammad - a direct descendant of Kedar, a ''New Song'' - The Qur'an (Koran). This happens to be the only Scripture to be revealed in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Qur'an are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.2 billion Muslims, residing all over the world, recite this ''new song'' and Glorify Allah, in their daily *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:21am
in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of Mount Hira near the city of Mecca. There are several mountains near Mecca. During the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called ''Hajj'', Muslims from all over the world, assemble in Mecca and shout Glory to the Lord from the top of Mount Arafat. The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:22am
@ unquite can you kindly advise what jesus denied being a few verses prior to that. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:23am
The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their ways, to and from Mecca. *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 07:24am
Jesus denies being equal to God. He does not deny being the son as you claim. read John 10:36. Mohammed wont you please tell us wot Jesus said in John 10:36 *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:25am
''The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.'' Verse 13. In the Old Testament the God often speaks ''I'' will do this, or ''I'' have done this; whereas, He has chosen human beings like us, to do these jobs. (see 2 Samuel 12:7-12). *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:25am
Muhammad did go forth as a mighty prophet of Allah, did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia. Finally with a war cry and roar, Muhammad did prevail upon the enemies of Lord - the idolaters, fulfilling the above prophecy. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:27am
''I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.'' Verse 14. The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:28am
lol he said he is the son of God denying previously that he is God....The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:29am
''I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.'' Verse 14. The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:29am
through the descendants of Kedar (Arabs), these sinful practices were destroyed and devoured, inside and outside of Arabia. The spread of Islam was swift, wide spread and at once. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:29am
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:30am
luke 22: Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am. here he denies it....again *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:31am
and calls himself the son of man.. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:25am
.kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:31am
''And I will bring the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them.'' Verse 16. It is an undeniable fact that before the advent of Islam, the pagan Arabs were like the blinds. Their religious and social concepts were crooked. The revela *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:32am
The revelation of this ''new song'' brought them out of that darkness. Earlier, God had not sent any prophet to these people. By sending Muhammad, God fulfilled His above promise and also the following promise to Abraham; ''And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed.'' Genesis 21:13. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:33am
Please note the word ''also'' in above promise. The nations of Judaism and Christianity came out from the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. The nation of Islam came out from the descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three children of Abraham by God's Covenants with Abraham. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:34am
This also fulfils the following prophecy by Jesus; ''Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but what soever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you thing to come.'' John 16:13 *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:37am
''They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images; they say to the molten images, 'Ye are our gods.' '' Isaiah 42 Verse 17. History records that Prophet Muhammad did put the pagan idolaters to great shame when he demolished before them, their 365 idols that were installed in Ka'bah (Mecca), the most respected place of pilgrimage in the whole of Arabia. Today, *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:37am
Today, Ka'bah is the Grand Mosque of Islam. Muslims from all over the world face towards Ka'bah while reciting their daily ritual prayers. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:41am
now how can all this fact being ignored? its all from ur bible aswel...that u believe the Word of God is True. *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 07:51am
Nope he does not deny being the Son of God. He had just said he is God's son a while ago. He was being tactful in confirming that yes he is the son of God as he had said befor. Mohammed, If ronaldo said he was awesome. Then a day or two later you went to up to him and said 'hey man, you are so0o awesome!' and he replies 'you said it!' would that mean he's denying it?? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 07:54am
Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Aalihi wasallam. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 07:57am
lol unquite its a denial ...let me give you an example....in luke 23 Pilate questioned him: Art thou the king of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it? later Pilate says to the chief priest and to the people, I find no fault in this man *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:05am
You see? he answered pilate with tact. As he had done with the religious leaders who asked him if he is God's son. Pilate had no problem with him so he said he finds no fault. But the religious leaders had a problem with him, and were clutching straws tryin to use anything he said to get rid of him. *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:08am
We see the same thing happening today. Where some have a problem with Jesus being the Son of God and are clutching straws trying to use anything he said to get rid of his divine sonship *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:10am
Only God is Divine. altho all the Prophets Are Holy, they cant be a God. Divinity is only for ONE, The Creator. :) *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:11am
Oh, and if ronaldo said he was awesome, and a few days later you went up to him and asked if he is awesome and he replied 'you said it!' he wouldn be denying it. *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:14am
I didnt say anything about Jesus being divine. I said divine sonship. Yes as the Word he was made of the same pure divine substance as God. But on earth he was a man. With his position being divine. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:19am
i see...yeah All Prophets are from The Divine, n one with The Divine, n thru them The Divine Words revealed. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:20am
how about Adam? @unquiet. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 08:21am
@unquite why must he deny it? why use tactics when according to you he preached that he is the son?? *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 08:23am
anyways unquite if you peruse the bibles i.e. look at the revised version etc you will find that their is a trend the words A son of God is changed to THE son of God etc.... *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:24am
Adam was the 1st man. I gotta go. The work wont do itself. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 08:30am
k cheers *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:33am
He didnt deny it! He denied being equal to God. But doesn deny being the Son of God. If you study the bible you'l see Jesus always answered questions with tact. Getting ppl to THINK. If as you claim Jesus never said he is the son of God, who came up with this idea that he is Jehovah's son?? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:35am
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: Be. And he was. (Qur'an 3.59) @unquiet. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:36am
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ''Be''. And he was. (Qur'an 3.59) @unquiet. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 08:38am
lol its a denial...anyways Jesus is a prophet of God.... *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:43am
''My servant continues drawing near to Me ... until I love him, and when I love him, I am the Hearing through which he hears, the Sight through which he sees, the Hand through which he grasps, and the Foot through which he walks.'' (Hadith Qudsi) *
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unquiet1 - 4.03.11 - 08:43am
Its not a denial if he had said he is God's son earlier. Oh and if God himself had said 'this is my son' at baptism. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:44am
''My God I have fixed the fingers of my love to the ends of thy cords ... My God these are the reins of my soul-I have bound them with the ties of Thy will.'' (Ali ibn Abi Talib. Supplications. London; Mohammadi Trust. pgs. 10 12) *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:45am
One who has achieved this proximity to God is known in Islamic terminology as ''Insaan al-Kamil'' or the perfect (or perfected) man. It is in this context that Jesus must be viewed. He is called in the Qur'an, a sign (ayat) of God. The Prophets of God are generally all given this designation. They are all (from Adam to Muhammad) signposts marking the path to God, each one addressing both *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:45am
One who has achieved this proximity to God is known in Islamic terminology as ''Insaan al-Kamil'' or the perfect (or perfected) man. It is in this context that Jesus must be viewed. He is called in the Qur'an, a sign (ayat) of God. The Prophets of God are generally all given this designation. They are all (from Adam to Muhammad) signposts marking the path to God, each one addressing both *
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each one addressing both the universal nature of man and the specific contingencies of his time. Jesus is a signpost who links man back to his original ancestor (Adam). The Qur'an says: ''The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be' and he was.'' *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:47am
So in the very act of his creation, a link is forged with the origins of mankind. The Qur'an also says of Jesus that: ''The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is the apostle of God, and His Word, which He projected unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him'' (Qur'an. Ch. 4 v.170) *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:48am
The ''Word'' is God's creative Word (with which He also created Adam), the ''Spirit'' is the Divine Spirit (which he also breathed into Adam). Thus Jesus is created according to the mould of Adam - but he is as Adam was before the fall from Paradise, before Adam was put into this world, where God's presence is veiled and must be sought through signs. Thus Jesus, from the moment of his miraculous *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 08:49am
denial of being God anyways Jesus was a jew and according to them all human beings arecalled the sons of God *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:49am
Thus Jesus, from the moment of his miraculous conception to the time he is taken up to God, is one who was ''Insaan al-Kamil''. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:50am
He has seen with the perfection of his inner eye the secrets of this Universe. When he tells man of Paradise he has seen it, when he talks of God he knows Him. His every word is spoken from knowledge. He sees and hears and moves through God. The Spirit of Allah is his guide. Furthermore, he is an apostle of God, that is, one charged by God to provide guidance for mankind and to bring man towards *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:51am
to bring man towards the path of perfection and salvation - and to be a sign which hints at the heights to which man is capable of rising. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:52am
It is a fundamental principle in Islam that one who is not guided cannot guide. Thus Jesus is a fully realized man and an apostle of God. Jesus thus becomes, in Islam, a symbol (or sign) of the immense potential that exists within man's fundamental nature. The Prophet's of God are sent to guide man and to show man how to actualize this potential within him. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:52am
But even one who actualizes this potential and attains a type of union with God, does not become God. God remains God. The Qur'an rejects with absolute vehemence the insinuation that Jesus is God or the son of God. It says of those who make such assertions that: *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:53am
''Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! As if the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin.'' (Qur'an. Ch. 19 v. 88) *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:54am
The reason for such a strong rejection is that those who put forth such claims have fundamentally misunderstood the basic nature of God, His creation, and the miraculous nature with which He created man. God's aim is to uplift man, to redeem him through the unique nature with which he created man. In the above quote from the Qur'an, the heavens (skies), the earth, and the mountains are reacting *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:55am
In the above quote from the Qur'an, the heavens (skies), the earth, and the mountains are reacting to the attribution of divinity to Jesus. This is because before the creation of Adam, the Divine ''Trust'' was offered to these creations of God and they refused to undertake the responsibility. Man, however, undertook the responsibility. *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 08:56am
Wow smo still no answers? As for the Comforter being a man, to believe that you have to disregard His discription and assume its a man, then kek you say Jesus had to go to the Father,who you dont believe in,then also say Jesus never went but went to the 2nd heaven. Thats the weirdest thing i have heard in this forum. Did he go or not? Think before you answer. Smo still waiting! *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:57am
''We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: But man undertook it....'' (Qur'an. Ch. 33 v. 72, 73) *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:57am
''We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: But man undertook it....'' (Qur'an. Ch. 33 v. 72, 73) *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:57am
Conferring divinity upon any of God's servants or creatures, even one as exalted as Jesus, is characterized as a betrayal of this Trust which God bestowed upon man. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 08:59am
@leva read back properly. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 09:00am
bro you have been answered way back already *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 09:17am
If those were your answers then you wrong on so many levels it aint even funny. What was your response again when Jesus said the apostles would receive the Comforter in a few days, and not 600 years later? *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 09:22am
Kek where in the bible does it say the Spirit of Truth and the Comforter is not the same? Where does it say Jesus is waiting in the 2nd heaven and is not with the Father as he said? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:31am
To understand the prophecies made by Jesus on the subject, one has to begin with the First Epistle of John, Chapter 2, Verse 1. Here, Jesus Christ is called a ''Paraclete'' (Parakletos, Advocate, Comforter, Helper) by apostle John. The same term ''Paraclete'' is used by the apostle in his Gospel, in connection with a portentous prophecy made by Jesus Christ, before the end of his ministry upon *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:33am
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come). John 14:16 *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:33am
before the end of his ministry upon this earth, for the coming of ''another Paraclete''. Prophet Moses also made a similar prophecy, before the end of his ministry, for the coming of his successor. Jesus Christ declared; ''And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come).'' John 14:16 *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:33am
Note: We often read the verse ending as; with you for ever. However; into the age is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; eis ton aiona', used by John *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:33am
hese two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of another Paraclete, was speaking of the coming of another male figure like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the Paraclete was for the coming of a male figure, but that conc *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:34am
http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/prophesy.html....now you don't have to wait for the replies leva *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:34am
Note: We often read the verse ending as; ''with you for ever''. However; ''into the age'' is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; 'eis ton aiona', used by John. These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of ''another Paraclete'', was speaking of the coming of ''another male figure'' like himself, *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:36am
i told him to read that link. n leva, how bout ur explaination regarding Luke verse i gave earlier pls? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:37am
not bozza's link btw this link- http://www.islamworld.net/docs/prop.html *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:40am
These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of ''another Paraclete'', was speaking of the coming of ''another male figure'' like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the ''Paraclete'' was for the coming of a ''male figure'', but *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:31am
.kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:41am
but that concept was later confused with the ''Holy Spirit''. Here is an extract from the world renowned and distinguished Anchor Bible Volume 29A: ''The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:42am
In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:43am
Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit.'' (page 1135). *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:45am
''But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak...'' Jn.16:13 Note: The Quran is a compilation of the ''Divine Revelations'' that were received by prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the arch angel Gabriel. The prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 09:50am
Kek can you read? I asked why did Jesus say in a few days The Paraclete would come but muhamad came 600 years later, in other words EXPLAIN THE TIME GAP, COMPRENDE? *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:50am
hmmmm *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 09:51am
can you show me what bible says in a few days the paraclete will come levafix *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 09:51am
emphasis on the word PARACLETE *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 09:53am
and FEW DAYS *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:53am
ok but what about all my questions that ive asked first? @leva. k g2g till u answer all my Qs first n show some light there. bbl or 2moro, if busy. *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:56am
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 09:58am
see a chameleon lying there in the sun *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 09:59am
who u insulting bozza, urself? *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 10:01am
what insult? *
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kekasih - 4.03.11 - 10:05am
bozzalad 4.03.11 - 09:56am * --- bozzalad 4.03.11 - 09:58am see a chameleon lying there in the sun * //whats this for then? @bozza. *
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.bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 10:06am
a song *
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msk7816 - 4.03.11 - 10:06am
talking wit christians waste they believ in editions, leav old buk refer new *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 10:16am
Ask smo still waiting on his comments all he seem to do is agree with what kek says, no matter how wrong she is. Smo I subd the word Comforter with Paraclete, im asking kek cause you never answerd me, so see you. Whenever you ready Kek. *
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msk7816 - 4.03.11 - 10:19am
TAKE NOT AS BITAANAH(FRNDS,HELPERS,ADVISORS) THOSE OUTSIDE UR RELIGION SINCE THEY WIL NOT FAIL 2 DO THIER BEST 2 CORUPT U.. AAL IMRAN 3. 118 *
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msk7816 - 4.03.11 - 10:20am
AL-MAIDAH 5. 51, TAFSEER AL-SADI *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 10:23am
i didnt ignore your questions levafix i answered some of them but i pressume you just missed what i said and now you want to persist i didnt answer them *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:33am
bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 10:06am
a song *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 10:16am
Ask smo still waiting on his comments all he seem to do is agree with what kek says, no matter how wrong she is. Smo I subd the word Comforter with Paraclete, im asking kek cause you never answerd me, so see you. Whenever you ready Kek. *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 10:23am
i didnt ignore your questions levafix i answered some of them but i pressume you just missed what i said and now you want to persist i didnt answer them *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:06pm
Smo you posted alot of things redundant 2 the topic and my questions. What u posted was bout miracles Jesus and how it was not important. I asked how could Jesus say the Holy Spirit would come in a few days yet muhamad came 600yrs later? As shown through scripture the Spirit of Truth, Comforter and the Holy Spirit and God are all the same. *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:10pm
So if the Holy Spirit,who is Gabriel, the Spirit of Truth is muhamad,but both the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth is God, that would make them 3 persons yet 1 God, but how can it be when you dont serve a triune God? *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:21pm
Muhamad said that he was the seal of the prophets, yet Jesus said the Spirit would not speak of himself. An example of this would be where Abrahams servant went to find a wife for Isaac. This foptells the Holy Spirit fetching the Church as Christs bride. See if the servant is mentions who n what he is. The Holy Spirit does not mention or talk bout himself. Why did muhamad? *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:25pm
There were more but you can go back and answer them or do what you do and post irelavent info of no relation to the topic, like when you said that theres no relation between a prophecy and its fulfillment. *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 01:25pm
LeVa U are more confused than a chameleon on a smarties box! Lemme simplify it in one sentence- SPIRIT of Truth ... equals ... PROPHET of Truth... does NOT equal to God *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:27pm
And why answer some of them? Why didnt you answer all of them? Was it to difficult? Still bad to research? Didnt you know then answers? *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 01:29pm
i dont leva understand the different ways in which the term spirit is used in the bible *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 01:29pm
because they all not relevant.... *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 01:31pm
bro if you read the Quran he quoted everything as he recieved it i.e. Muhammad (saw) even mentions the word SAY for e.g Say he Allah is One... *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 01:32pm
the term Holy ghost is used interchangeably in the bible i.e. for reference to Gabriel i.e. when he came as a dove to Jesus etc... *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:34pm
Please oh please tell me where in the bible it says Gabriel is The Holy Spirit! Please, the book,chapter n verse. *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 01:40pm
How once again can a prophecy not be relevant to the fulfilment there of? What use would the prophecy then have if its fulfilment is of no importance? So that means anyone can predit events call them prophets as the result dnt matter, but God says a prophet who speaks of things that dont happen must be KILLED! deut 18 i think bout vs 20 *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:34am
.smohamed - 4.03.11 - 01:48pm
correction holy spirit in islam not the bible.... *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 01:51pm
did you have to bring deut up? is Jesus the prophet like unto Moses? *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 02:06pm
shady, accordin to the Jews, That dreamer of Dreams shall be put to Death...What this really means to the Jews is that Jesus really was an imposter, a false prophet. Ask any jew, he will tell u that if Jesus was a real prophet he wouldnt have died on the cross *
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smohamed - 4.03.11 - 02:26pm
interesting.... *
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iilmadme - 4.03.11 - 02:29pm
So that probly means that Jesus n the NT are as irrelevent to a Jew as any further additions are to a christian *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 02:39pm
Well afriend im glad im not a jew. Smo i didnt bring up deut for that discussion,not gona chase after you. I brought it up so you can see that the fulfilment of a prophecy is important, a prophet that says God says so and this when God didnt give the word that prophet should be killed. Vs 20 BUT THE PROPHET,WHICH SHALL PRESUME TO SPEAK A WORD IN MY NAME, WHICH I HAVE NOT COMMANDED HIM TO SPEAK, *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 02:42pm
leva HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF- that means he will not speak what he is not commanded to speak, he will not speak on his own free will. BUT WHATSOEVER HE SHALL HEAR, THAT SHALL HE SPEAK. (and that is exactly how the Quran revealed) *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 02:45pm
OR THAT SHALL SPEAK IN THE NAME OF OTHER GODS, EVEN THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE! Now correct me if im wrong but didnt muhamad quote verses sura 53 i think and said its of allah, he latersaid that it was satan who put it in his mouth? I think he qualifies for vs 20 dnt you think? *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 02:48pm
And if im not mistaken afriend you dnt believe he died on the cross either, you stil do dont you? *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 02:55pm
THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM @ LeVa BUT IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM SO *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 03:20pm
for what reason would god be sly? *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 03:42pm
Because allah is a deceiver! *
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afriend - 4.03.11 - 03:43pm
goes to show his honesty @ Leva. He was not entitled Al-Amin (the (Truthful) for nothing. A false prophet would've let it slide *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 04:08pm
Muhamad truthful?...did he say the verse were from allah? YES! Did he later say it came from satan? YES! unless allah is satan, MUHAMAD LIED! According to muslims muhamad is wise beyond words, how was he not able to detect that allah is suddenly giving a verse which contradicted all that said worship allah alone? If satan appeared to me disguised and said to preach this gospel and it dont *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 04:10pm
Agree with the bible i wouldnt, even i an unbeliever according to muslims know that much! *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:38am
bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 04:14pm
still don't get why god would need to be sly *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 04:24pm
The lying spirit of truth or the truthful spirit of lies, which do you prefer, would anyone here follow such a Spirit? *
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bozzalad - 4.03.11 - 04:27pm
just makes no sense that a god who can do anything ,would lie too and cheat the very people it was trying to teach *
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levafix - 4.03.11 - 10:03pm
Well allah knows best boz. Only he will be able to tell you why. Even allowing husbands to beat their wives, though as long as no bones are broken and no marks are left, its ok. And then muslims claim we share the same God, but thats another topic. *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 12:27am
levafix - 4.03.11 - 09:22am Kek where in the bible does it say the Spirit of Truth and the Comforter is not the same?// ok leva show me where i said that? *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 12:59am
levafix - 4.03.11 - 09:50am Kek can you read? I asked why did Jesus say in a few days The Paraclete would come but muhamad came 600 years later, in other words EXPLAIN THE TIME GAP, COMPRENDE?//who u asked this from? me? ok show me the verse where Jesus said in a FEW days The Paraclete would come pls? *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:07am
be truthful to urself first levafix, before u go on, n why havent u answer all my Qs? n show me that ure truthful first n proof that two above replies. *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:34am
levafix - 4.03.11 - 04:08pm Muhamad truthful?...did he say the verse were from allah? YES! Did he later say it came from satan? YES! unless allah is satan, MUHAMAD LIED! // n what is this n where u get this verse from? i dont understand. *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:35am
n @bozzalad stop being an annoyance drum... *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:40am
levafix - 4.03.11 - 10:03pm Well allah knows best boz. Only he will be able to tell you why. Even allowing husbands to beat their wives, though as long as no bones are broken and no marks are left, its ok. And then muslims claim we share the same God, but thats another topic.//do u not share the same God of Israel that The Wrath is even more Huge...levafix? *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:42am
i think ur bible even say to stone death adulteress wife there levafix. *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:49am
but yeah dont go there..itl be off topic...stay on topic urself k levafix. now, im waiting u to fix all those that u said, i say, The Paraclete is not The Spirit Of Truth. Where do i say that? *
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kekasih - 5.03.11 - 01:51am
here to refresh u how my definations are...God=ALLAH SWT, The Holy Spirit=Angel Gabriel, Spirit Of Truth=Prophet Muhammad SAAW. *
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kathie01 - 5.03.11 - 03:16am
God=ALLAH SWT........ God is the Almighty I AM of the Bible. Allah does not exist and never did. *
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kathie01 - 5.03.11 - 03:17am
The Holy Spirit=Angel Gabriel.......the angel Gabriel is just that, an angel of God, created by God. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:40am
kathie01 - 5.03.11 - 03:19am
Spirit Of Truth=Prophet Muhammad ......Spirit of Truth is God for God is the Truth. Jesus said, ' I am the Truth, the way and the life.' Muhammd not there at all. *
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masterly - 5.03.11 - 03:32am
Have some manners, the Spirit of Truth is a lady lol *
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kathie01 - 5.03.11 - 04:05am
Isaiah 9:2. See also John 1: 1-5. People in darkness have seen a great light.....many preferred darkness (lies) and rejected the light.....darkness can never extinguish the light. The Word of God is among us for more than two thousands years. No one has ever succeeded to destroy it, and no one ever will. *
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ji_dl - 5.03.11 - 04:53am
no, stop deceiving urselfs, the spirit of lies is the BIBLE! *
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rock_r - 5.03.11 - 07:42am
*middle finger* @ masood! *
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rock_r - 5.03.11 - 07:43am
ji_dl u are the one that's deceived *
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levafix - 5.03.11 - 08:34pm
Ji dl couldnt you come up with something more original? *
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ji_dl - 5.03.11 - 09:22pm
ok, i will come up with something more original next time, it's gonna blow ur minds(including levafix's), i swear!. *
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urvoice2 - 5.03.11 - 09:31pm
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beige1 - 5.03.11 - 09:39pm
Jdl, i doubt u could blow a balloon. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 01:36am
levafix - 4.03.11 - 04:08pm Muhamad truthful?...did he say the verse were from allah? YES! Did he later say it came from satan? YES! unless allah is satan, MUHAMAD LIED!// how about levafix beige1? can he blow a balloon? *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 07:13am
Why Quote that for me? I don't believe in Muhammad or the Quran.. No disrespect. I said that coz Jdl said he'd blow minds. Did Leva say he'd blow anyone's mind? *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 09:31am
The only thing i blow kek is my nose *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 11:24am
u people (christians) are sooooooooo lost that when Jesus comes back he wouldn't bother finding ur lost souls,let alone saving them(ur lost souls), it might sound like a joke but that's the 'gospel truth'(as u christians will say). *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 11:24am
u people (christians) are sooooooooo lost that when Jesus comes back he wouldn't bother finding ur lost souls,let alone saving them(ur lost souls), it might sound like a joke but that's the 'gospel truth'(as u christians will say). *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:43am
ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 11:25am
u people (christians) are sooooooooo lost that when Jesus comes back he wouldn't bother finding ur lost souls,let alone saving them(ur lost souls), it might sound like a joke but that's the 'gospel truth'(as u christians will say). *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 11:29am
oops! *
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iilmadme - 6.03.11 - 11:31am
It duznt sound like a joke,more like arrogance n judgemental *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 11:39am
and i don't know why the word 'gospel' is used with the word 'truth' when the gospel is filled with lies? the words 'gospel truth' is ironic if u ask me. *
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madam.x - 6.03.11 - 11:40am
I don't think anyone was asking you tho. *
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phallica - 6.03.11 - 11:46am
You're going to burn in Christian hell Ji. *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 01:29pm
Ji dl, may God bless you. I hope that you come to realise HIS truth. I pray that you will find Jesus like so many other muslims and lost people. The story of the church has been fortold since the beginning of creation. It is ONLY through Gods grace that we can be saved, NO OTHER WAY. Jesus did for the world including YOU! *
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wilman - 6.03.11 - 01:38pm
we dunt believe paul's trap leva,sorry to say this *
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unquiet1 - 6.03.11 - 01:42pm
ji_dl..... wot exactly are talking about thats gonna... ''BLOW ur minds'' ...? *
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unquiet1 - 6.03.11 - 01:43pm
is there something youtrying to warn every1 about? *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 02:21pm
u'll see when the time comes! *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 02:27pm
christian hell indeed! *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:36pm
yeah i think so too u could only blow ur nose. what a disappointments . how can u say lies about the Spirit Of Truth yet u cant proof any truth in what u say. u said he lied...where? which verse? such are huge accu ts. yet so many ive proven the bible lies even mixing truth wth lies, mixing the Holy Spirit wth The Spirit Of Truth. well i guess ud rather stay in ur delusions. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:38pm
believe me God is ONE n NONE same as HIM...not even the Holy Spirit nor any Spirits same as God....but u made God same as every creatures. thats ashame thing to apply to The Almighty u know. thats Blasphemy. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:38pm
jdl, i hope that wasn't an attempt to blow our minds? *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:45am
kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:41pm
ji_dl is right, every deluded minds will be blowned in the Day Of Judgement. even Jesus won recognised u that time. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:42pm
how could u partner his Beloved God to him...that would made Jesus very mad at u. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:43pm
Unless u, kek, or u, jdl are God, u'll have to excuse me if i don't take ur judgements to heart. I will rather go to Hell believin what i do, before i cross over to Islam or ANY other religion. But i'll let God decide where i'm headin ;-) *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:48pm
n how could u mix lies wth his last Will to look out for the Spirit Of Truth after he gone...n made the Holy Spirit confused wth The Spirith Of Truth thatl come to teach n even judge u. Prophet Muhammad SAAW doesnt just come to teach humanity to all n righteousnous, he was also the judge in every matter regarding humanity. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:48pm
yeah Jesus doesnt judge, but Prophet Muhammad SAAW judges. hes given that authority by God, to judge. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:50pm
n hes given authority by God to teach human for all things. the Quran teaches a way of life. it guides mankind how to live a pious live socially, be it politically, n also spiritually. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:51pm
only The Spirit Of Truth is given this authority by God. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:51pm
Muhammad? A prophet we don't believe in. So again.. I'll let God judge me. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:51pm
Muhammad? A prophet we don't believe in. So again.. I'll let God judge me. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:52pm
thats why we have Shariah Law. this what The Spirit Of Truth guidance u for all time. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:53pm
Anyhow, the Bible teaches us that God n God alone can judge.. That we will be judged by how we judged others. I mean no disrespect to any Muslim, but u think the Bible is corrupt, whilst we don't believe in the Quran at all. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:54pm
what Jesus said when u reject this Spirit Of Truth? let God be ur judge still? lol deluded. its clear when u rejected the Spirit Of Truth, Jesus said ure in a loss. *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 02:55pm
kekasih i dont get it.............why u wasting ya time explaining to kafirs on here?... *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:55pm
U are welcome to judge me, u are welcome to say that i'll go to hell.. I refuse to sink that low, i wont even argue u. If u think that, so be it. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:56pm
now we are no more living by Jesus nation...now is the Spirit Of Truth Nation, when he comes, u cannot reject him n be called following Jesus's will. whats the last reminder of Jesus for u, who u must follow? isnt it the Spirit Of Truth that will only safe u? *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:50am
beige1 - 6.03.11 - 02:57pm
I'm rather a kafir b4 i'm an arrogant, judgemental religiously pious Muslim then. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 02:57pm
can u reject the Spirit Of Truth? n call urself safe? lol yeah the Truth nobody cares but the delusions theyd rather stick on... *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 02:59pm
dont think we want std infected humans..who dont even know who their parents are.. as muslims. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 03:00pm
The Spirit of Truth is NOT Muhammad to us. U can try convince us to Armageddon, n we will reject it. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:00pm
nirvaana. the Truth came to them, now we see who rejects. its their loss tho yeah. ok its to reveal n make u think for those who may want to think n question if they care n waiting for this Spirit Of Truth, theyd Question their faiths. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 03:01pm
Nirvaana, get as insultin as u like. I wont sink to ur level. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:01pm
the arrogants are those who rejects The Spirit Of Truth. *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:02pm
was just getting at your level...its not mine..dont play reverse psychology..you are judgemental...so im being judgemental to you. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:03pm
just same as how they reject Moses, Jesus, n now we see those who rejects Prophet Muhammad SAAW. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 03:03pm
I notice that u're quick to scream when others insult kek.. Yet when it's urs doin the insultin u go mum abt it. Let's see if any Muslim stands up nd says anythin abt the judgin n insults.. G2g 4 now tho. *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:04pm
and i wasnt even talking to you..are you ppl good at making digs and then act as angels?....go..n dont come back *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 03:05pm
Nirvaana, not once did i judge anyone n decide whether they are goin to heaven or hell. Not once did i say anyone has std's or are b****rd children. So nice try but no cigar. *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:06pm
''arrogant pious muslims...''..so this wasnt judgemental *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 03:06pm
I will be back Nirvaana. I can't be chased. Again, u try to save, nd failed. Here *throws u a shovel* dig that hole bigger. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 03:07pm
That was to u, after u kafir reply. Nice try, but fail again. L8rz. *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:54am
nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:07pm
..i never said ..''b****rd childrens''.so .stop making sumtin else..out of it.. *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:08pm
..i dont think your letters arranged horizontally by a christian can offend me..if it was from a muslim then i wud av paid attention..but from u?..err sorry *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:09pm
...thought u were leavin bye... *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:12pm
sure...Jesus doesnt come to judge...thats why its not for christians to judge any matters. for we muslims, have Laws n we can judge the obvious matters, altho certain matters, still rather we stick it to God, but our authority is to judge the worldy matters especially where theres a Law already for it that is, whatever thats already IN The HOLY Quran. n The Holy Quran says, those who rejects *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:13pm
n The Holy Quran says, those who rejects Prophet Muhammad SAAW after he come, is defo hell-bound. no help for them, no future hope even in this world, or in the hereafter. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:15pm
so think again, WHO is The Spirit Of Truth that mentioned in ur bible, cuz its also important for u as it is warned alredy too by Jesus, to never ever reject him. :) *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:15pm
do you know why prophet muhammad n all the prophets were shepherds at some time in their life kekasih? *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:15pm
goat shepherds *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 03:22pm
cuz we spose to be their sheep. nirvaana. *
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nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:24pm
coz goat the most stubborn animal on this planet..and humans same as stubborn..as them..ALLAH was training em all the prophet before they even knew they were prophets...jesus/muhammad/abraham n all....been shepherds. *
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urvoice2 - 6.03.11 - 03:34pm
Reject mohammed and your hellbound ? Doesnt that contradict hadith ? *
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unquiet1 - 6.03.11 - 03:41pm
ji_dl... is that a terrorist kinda threat? *
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unquiet1 - 6.03.11 - 03:46pm
last thing i wanna hear is a muslim bloke saying something gonna 'BLOW...' *
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mashak07 - 6.03.11 - 03:50pm
waste of time here its beter 2 send request 2 christians n explain. n clear misundrstandings here ,no one serious here just blame pointout muslims, topics 2 divert minds sum *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 03:54pm
u're quite shallow minded, u know that?, so u think all muslims are terrorists? unquiet *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:56am
.nirvaana - 6.03.11 - 03:56pm
..all muslim mens to them are ak47 holding turban wearing guys... *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 04:01pm
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:16pm
i see... lol @nirvaana. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:17pm
no hadith says u may go to heaven if reject Prophet Muhammad SAAW. @urvoice2. *
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yukovich - 6.03.11 - 04:23pm
but a christian also told me I will go to hell if I reject the gospel @kek. So which is it? Jesus or muhammad? *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:30pm
u cannot reject Jesus AND Muhammad SAAW. @yuko. all muslims believed in Jesus. *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 04:33pm
just don't take Jesus as God@yuko *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:34pm
we believed God gave Injil to Isa AS (Jesus), n Torah to Musa AS (Moses), Zaboor to Daud AS (David). these Books are given to them by God, n to Prophet Muhammad SAAW is The Holy Quran (that reveals Lights from Errors of the past Books after being corrupted by the Scribes). Allah SWT Says Woe! to the scribers that wrote with his own pens to corrupt the past Books for a very cheap price (worldy). *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:35pm
n thats why we believe, the bible had been corrupted. *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 04:42pm
Didnt Jesus say that the Spirit of Truth would not speak of himself?,yet we find that if you reject muhamad (see saw) that you would be going to hell. No person has the authority to judge but God, yet we find that muhamad has been given that authority. Judgement is to God alone, and none other, i refuse to be judged by someone who condones wife beating, child marriageand lies. *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 04:45pm
Where does allah say that kek? *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:45pm
h did not spee Quran is word by word of Allah's SWT Words...uve been answered that n yet u havent proof what lies has Prophet Muhammad SAAW made? ur refusal of accepting The Spirit Of Truth had been told by Jesus aswell as losers. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 04:46pm
he (Prophet Muhammad SAAW) did not speak of himself...Quran is word by word of Allah's SWT Words...uve been answered that n yet u havent proof what lies has Prophet Muhammad SAAW made? ur refusal of accepting The Spirit Of Truth had been told by Jesus aswell as losers. *
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unquiet1 - 6.03.11 - 04:55pm
ji_dl 6.03.11 - 03:54pm u're quite shallow minded, u know that?, so u think all muslims are terrorists? unquiet * .... nope i dont think all muslims are terrorists. *
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ji_dl - 6.03.11 - 04:58pm
ok *
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kekasih 10.03.11 - 01:57am
levafix - 6.03.11 - 05:01pm
How were they able to collect ALL the copies change them and return them? Many copies existed, not just in Jerusalem, so how were they changed oh noble and all knowing kek? Only if you can answer that will you need to admit that your mighty all knowing allah was POWERLESS to stop the scribes from changing the scriptures. Meaning that yout almighty allahs words were changed by a few scribes. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:03pm
whyd do u think the jews rejected Jesus then leva? if their Torah wasnt corrupted too...only Book that is Promised n Guaranteed will be Guard by God is Only The Holy Quran. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:05pm
that is why if u see the bible today, varies but if u see Quran, theres only ONE n Unchanged for the past 1400yrs more ago. bible cant even last the past hundreds years ago as to say mantained word by word...@leva. just think abt that. *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 05:06pm
Did muhamad say that the satanic verses given to him was from allah? YES did he later say that these verses were from allah? YES. Was it from allah? No, did he tell the TRUTH when he said it was from allah? NO? What is the opposite of the truth? Leave that for you to answer kek. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:08pm
the bible gets edited yearly n perhaps add n subtract certain words aswel as u see some word for Ismail even changed to Israil in different edition. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:09pm
what satanic verse? ive been hearing this only from the disbelievers here. show me what verse pls? *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:11pm
where in the Quran is this satanic verse? that u said from satan? @leva. *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 05:12pm
Does the message change kek? Not that i know of, if that is your arguement that todays bibles varies word for word and this proves the ancient scriptures have been changed its very poor. But lets assume that your theory has a leg to stand on which it doesnt, you still have to admit that allah is POWERLESS to stop a few guys from changing the bible. He said his words would last forever,has it? *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:15pm
yes the message of Jesus being Changed tremendously...in the bible. the message there is no other God except Allah SWT Alone n none same as HIM being changed to Blasphemy big time...including all become Allah SWT. Jesus+Holy Spirit+ all is Allah SWT according to christians. but some rather say Jesus only the son. what not change? isnt that big difference there? *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:17pm
so where is the verse that u accused its from satan in the Quran leva? another accu ts that u cant proof? uve lied abt me saying things i dont say even.... *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 05:20pm
The reason why they rejected Jesus was because he wasnt what they expected the messiah to be, he claimed to be the Son of God, The messiah, the one whom Moses wrote about and their saviour. They were promised thatthe Messiah was to save them from their enermy and set them free, but it was from spiritual death that He came to set them free from, not the Romans which ruled over them. *
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kekasih - 6.03.11 - 05:20pm
anyway its late here ive to go, pls SHOW me what Chapter n Verse in the Quran that u claimed it from satann k, il be back tomoro, by God's Will. *
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beige1 - 6.03.11 - 05:34pm
As i thought. Not a peep abt the insults to Christians.. I'm glad tho. It proved my point. *
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levafix - 6.03.11 - 05:35pm
Comeon kek, you mean you never heard that muhamed claimed the al lat and two others were with allah? Do you know that in Deut it states that ANY prophet who leads people to worship other gods must be put to death? So muhamad was guilty of this and should have been killed. *
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urvoice2 - 6.03.11 - 05:40pm
(Sahh al-Bukhr and Sahh Muslim) In this hadth, the Prophet (peace be upon him) made it clear that half of the denizens of paradise will be from among his followers.... @ kek. *
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